# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 383
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7775 "2025-01-27T07:36:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > We don’t know why they do it but we’ve never taken a [North] Korean alive who hasn’t tried to kill himself.” I’d hazard a guess that their families would be in danger if it became known a soldier had allowed himself to be captured. And that perpetual life-long brainwashing had cemented in them a belief that their enemies must be monsters capable of Kim-knows-what ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7776 "2025-01-27T13:46:00Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But when they’re literally going in to battle on crutches? How is that a part of any strategy? Wounded soldiers are a burden - it takes time, material, and people to heal them. Short-term, being dead is preferable. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7777 "2025-01-27T15:08:21Z")
So, the plan here is to convert the walking wounded into the more convenient “dead” form? “Bold strategy, Cotton.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7778 "2025-01-27T15:16:17Z")
And it forces the other side to use up all their bullets. It’s a win-win for Russia! Although they do appear to have made some recent progress: > **[Ukraine-Russia war live: Putin’s forces claim capture of strategic town in...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-live-map-putin-troops-trump-peace-plan-b2686763.html)** > > Ukrainian brigade confirms withdrawing strategically from some areas to avoid encirclement ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7779 "2025-01-28T03:17:28Z")
> **[Ukrainian scammers thought to be tricking Russian pensioners into blowing up...](https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/ukrainian-scammers-thought-to-be-tricking-russian-pensioners-into-blowing-up-atms-20250127-p5l7he.html)** > > Russian President Vladimir Putin last month dismissed a suggestion that he should target what are believed to be Ukrainian scammers behind the attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7780 "2025-01-28T03:24:57Z")
Paywalled. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7781 "2025-01-28T03:43:34Z")
"A Russian pensioner takes a box of matches into a bank and douses a row of cash machines with flammable liquid. The 68-year-old lights a match and hesitantly creeps forward with a smartphone in one hand to film what she is about to do. She dashes it onto the nearest machine, which immediately triggers a huge explosion. The incident was caught on CCTV in St Petersburg in December, and there are no indications the motivations of the unlikely saboteur – who survived the explosion – were political. Instead, it appears she – like many others – was duped into it by Ukrainian phone scammers. One out of 92 arson attacks recorded in Russia in 2024 was politically motivated, the independent Russian news site _Meduza_ reported, with the vast majority resulting from complex scams concocted in murky call centres operating out of enemy territory." ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7782 "2025-01-28T03:54:51Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > One out of 92 arson attacks recorded in Russia in 2024 was politically motivated,… with the vast majority… (Edit mine) How many fucking arson attacks do you need to assign the “vast majority” to “one out of 92”. Please. That’s just over 1.0108% Not criticising @Askance just the news reporter. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7783 "2025-01-28T04:10:07Z")
I read it as 1 out of the 92 attacks was _deliberately set_ by the arsonist out of their hatred of Putin’s regime, while the others were motivated by Ukrainian scammers set out to weaken Putin’s regime, but the actual people setting the fires did not have political motives. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7784 "2025-01-28T06:05:12Z")
Yes, I think they are saying 91 of 92 were the result of this type of scam, so inadvertent on the part of the actor, whereas only 1 was deliberate by that actor. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7785 "2025-01-28T07:30:36Z")
I still don’t see how the “scam” worked: what were people told as a justification for attacking ATMs? ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7786 "2025-01-28T09:15:38Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > what were people told as a justification for attacking ATMs? According to the article, most are some form of “we’re from the FSB and the only way to keep us from investigating you is to torch an ATM” or “we’ll give you a bunch of money [narrator: they do not give them a bunch of money]” ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7787 "2025-01-28T09:40:57Z")
> [@Seanette](#): > > Paywalled. Not paywalled for me. The link goes to the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper, and works for me. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7788 "2025-01-28T15:41:59Z")
Didn’t for me. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7789 "2025-01-28T15:45:35Z")
**Moderating:** OK, no more of that in this thread please. #breaking-news threads are not the place for these posts. Once was one thing, to reply again is far too much. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7790 "2025-02-01T10:51:14Z")
So those NK troops just seem to have vanished? Maybe they’re Bebe held in reserve for some special reason, but I doubt it-not Russia’s style. There’s always more where they came from anyway. Note: I just saw that Newt Gingrich is a contributor to the site. Not sure how much salt to add to your reading. > **[12,000 North Koreans went to fight for Russia, now they’re nowhere to be found](https://san.com/cc/12000-north-koreans-went-to-fight-for-russia-now-theyre-nowhere-to-be-found/)** > > Ukraine says that it has not seen North Korean troops on the Kursk frontlines in several weeks after mass casualties to Pyongyang soldiers. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2025, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7791 "2025-02-02T05:02:22Z")
> **[Ukraine, Russia accuse each other of deadly strike on boarding school](https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-russia-accuse-each-other-of-deadly-strike-on-boarding-school-20250202-p5l8y3.html)** > > The bomb killed at least four people in a dormitory in a part of Russia’s Kursk region held by Kyiv forces. > Ukraine and Russia traded blame for a deadly missile strike on Saturday that killed at least four people in the dormitory of a boarding school situated in a part of Russia’s Kursk region held by Kyiv forces. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7792 "2025-02-03T14:56:43Z")
Probably a fireworks accident. 😉 Link [Moscow bomb kills pro-Russia paramilitary leader from Ukraine | Russia | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/03/moscow-bomb-kills-pro-russia-paramilitary-leader) > [@](#): > > Russia’s Tass news agency, citing security services, reported that the blast was an attack on Armen Sarkisyan, the head of the boxing federation in Russian-occupied Donetsk and the founder of a battalion fighting against Ukraine. Sarkisyan, who is wanted in Ukraine, has a long history of aiding pro-Russia forces in Ukraine. > > Sarkisyan was taken to hospital in critical condition and he later succumbed to his injuries, while his bodyguard was killed instantly, Tass said. > > No group has claimed responsibility for the blast, which Russian security services described as a targeted assassination. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7793 "2025-02-07T10:01:52Z")
> **[Russia withdraws North Korean troops in Kursk after losses, Seoul says](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/07/russia-withdraws-north-korea-troops-kursk-deaths-ukraine-war?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)** > > South Korea’s National Intelligence Service confirms reports that Kim Jong-un’s battered forces have been off the frontline since mid-January ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7794 "2025-02-07T14:47:38Z")
The cannons have fed well. I wonder how much the Russians have gained for all this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=382) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=384)