# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 384
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7795 "2025-02-07T23:24:13Z")
I haven’t seen an accounting of Russia’s mothballed armor units in a while but it sure seems like they aren’t risking armor as much any more. This is indicative of the losses they have taken. > ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7796 "2025-02-07T23:51:48Z")
That second headline can’t be right. Usually the donkeys are rear-echelon. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2025, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7797 "2025-02-08T00:18:53Z")
[Covert Cabal’s most recent comprehensive video on tanks remaining in storage.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8CcuVCDEUw) tl:dw Tanks in storage visible in satellite imagery are 50% gone, and most of those remaining are in pretty dismal condition. Reserves of other armoured vehicles are roughly similar. For those unaware, Covert Cabal et al are amateur open source intelligence nerds who spend significant amounts of money on hi-res imagery from satellite companies. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2025, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7798 "2025-02-08T00:42:15Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > Usually the donkeys are rear-echelon. Including General Sobolev? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2025, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7799 "2025-02-08T11:19:58Z")
The British Army in WW1 was - after the event - referred to as “lions led by donkeys”. History repeating itself? ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2025, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7800 "2025-02-08T20:29:47Z")
> **[Baltic states leave Russian power grid in closer EU integration](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/08/baltic-states-leave-russian-power-grid-in-closer-eu-integration)** > > Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania disconnected from Russia’s network on Saturday, ending energy dependency and aiding security > For Russia, the decoupling means its Kaliningrad exclave, located between Lithuania, Poland and the Baltic Sea, is cut off from Russia’s main grid, leaving it to maintain its power system alone. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7801 "2025-02-09T19:15:13Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > For Russia, the decoupling means its Kaliningrad exclave, located between Lithuania, Poland and the Baltic Sea, is cut off from Russia’s main grid, leaving it to maintain its power system alone. That…might lead to interesting consequences…and possibly interesting times… ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7802 "2025-02-09T20:25:50Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Tanks in storage visible in satellite imagery are 50% gone, and most of those remaining are in pretty dismal condition. Reserves of other armoured vehicles are roughly similar. They still have some T34s in storage I heard? or WW2 tanks anyway. I had also read that a lot of the vehicles in storage had been looted for valuables, like batteries, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7803 "2025-02-09T21:21:14Z")
I think that at this point, anything that could possibly have been put back into service, already has. Thus, anything that’s still in storage must have something so wrong with it that Russia is no longer capable of fixing it. Which in turn suggests that there’s some specific essential component that they’re now all (or almost all) missing, or they could still put some back into service by cannibalizing others. It’d be interesting to know what that specific component is, and what efforts Russia is trying to make to get more of them. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7804 "2025-02-09T22:49:13Z")
No, there are no T-34s. Aside from a few used for parades. The oldest tanks in storage are T-55s, and not many of those. It’s mostly T-72s and T-62s left. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7805 "2025-02-09T22:54:56Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I think that at this point, anything that could possibly have been put back into service, already has. Thus, anything that’s still in storage must have something so wrong with it that Russia is no longer capable of fixing it. There’s a limit to how quickly the repair depots can take tanks from storage and get them operational, so no, it does not follow that the remaining are irredeemable. Though obviously they would have been refitting those in best condition first, which does mean they’re getting to the bottom of the barrel, and that the repair depots will take longer and longer to turn out operational tanks, as they’ll need to do more and more work on each of them. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7806 "2025-02-10T01:16:56Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > No, there are no T-34s. Aside from a few used for parades. The oldest tanks in storage are T-55s, and not many of those. It’s mostly T-72s and T-62s left. Okay, those must have been the ones i saw, thanks for the update. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7807 "2025-02-10T19:25:31Z")
> **[Drone headsets sent to Russian troops were booby-trapped to explode when...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/drone-headsets-sent-russian-troops-153542947.html)** > > Russian soldiers received a batch of sabotaged drone headsets that were modified to explode when they were switched on, according to Russian media. > Igor Potapov, a spokesperson for Russian manufacturer JSC NPP, told state-controlled news agency TASS that an individual donated the goggles as humanitarian aid. … > > TASS did not specify whether there had been any injuries or fatalities. … > > It said that the goggles contained between 10-15 grams of plastic explosive and that the boxes showed signs of tampering. How big of a boom does 10 to 15 grams of plastic explosive make? ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7808 "2025-02-10T19:28:57Z")
Well, the pagers used against Hezbollah apparently used 3 grams of PETN. So, more than enough to blow your head off if you were wearing it like a hat. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7809 "2025-02-11T11:36:56Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > So, more than enough to blow your head off if you were wearing it like a hat. Yes. You wouldn’t get much property damage from that amount, but even a small explosion literally next to your head will have very unpleasant results. Meanwhile, President Trump offers a strong and definite assessment of the situation: > **[Ukraine war latest: Ukraine 'may or may not be Russian someday', Trump says...](https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-trump-moscow-zelenskyy-kremlin-live-sky-news-latest-12541713)** > > Donald Trump has speculated on the prospect of a Ukraine-Russia peace deal - as talk over potential negotiations intensifies. Follow the latest on the war in Ukraine here - and submit your questions on any aspect of the conflict below for our experts... And otherwise the war continues: > **[Ukraine war briefing: Power restrictions as Russia hits energy system](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/ukraine-war-briefing-biden-approved-weapons-still-flowing-says-kellogg)** > > Trump to push European allies to buy US arms for Ukraine – report; Zelenskyy expected to meet with JD Vance and US envoy Kellogg. What we know on day 1,084 ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7810 "2025-02-12T20:52:46Z")
The BBC is currently reporting that Trump is saying negotiations to end the war will begin “immediately” after he phoned Putin. He apparently also called Zelensky. I suppose we’ll see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2025, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7811 "2025-02-14T10:28:47Z")
How apt that this is all happening in Munich. Is it too soon to talk about hamburger-eating surrender monkeys? [https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/europe-fears-its-second-munich-moment-has-come/](https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/europe-fears-its-second-munich-moment-has-come/) ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2025, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7812 "2025-02-14T12:04:58Z")
> **[Pete Hegseth says ‘everything is on the table’ to end Ukraine war](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/13/pete-hegseth-says-everything-on-table-end-ukraine-war?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > US defence secretary suggests cutting number of American troops in Europe could even be part of a deal with Russia > **[‘What Putin had been waiting for’: Moscow buoyant after call with Trump](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/13/putin-trump-call-ukraine-russia-analysis?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > Russian president will feel momentum has shifted in his favour and that US may help him fulfil Ukraine objectives ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2025, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7813 "2025-02-14T12:17:27Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > > US defence secretary suggests cutting number of American troops in Europe could even be part of a deal with Russia My god, I can’t believe these jackasses actually believe _ **they’re** _ the ones who are “great at making deals”. Every time he opens his stupid mouth, he’s giving away more to Russia, before Russia has even sat down at the table. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7814 "2025-02-15T15:47:43Z")
Everything is on the table? Including, say, sending in the Air Force? Because that’d be the quickest way to end the war. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=383) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=385)