# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 388
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2025, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7875 "2025-06-01T23:06:33Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So where were the drones launched from? They were launched from each individual truck. And apparently the trucks were prepared in Chelyabinsk. > **[Drones used in attacks on airfields gathered in Chelyabinsk — Mass media:...](https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/06/01/drones-used-in-attacks-on-airfields-gathered-in-chelyabinsk-mass-media)** > > EADaily, June 1st, 2025. The drones used in the attacks on Russian airfields were assembled at a warehouse four kilometers from the center of Chelyabinsk, the telegram channel reports. Specialists with the help of OSINT and careful study of the... > **[Russia is looking from where the attack on airfields was prepared: searches...](https://ukrainetoday.org/russia-is-looking-from-where-the-attack-on-airfields-was-prepared-searches-in-warehouses-in-chelyabinsk-photo/)** > > Ludmila Zhernovskaya23:59, 01.06.25 1 min.40 Russian security forces are conducting searches at warehouses in Chelyabinsk, where, as they believe, a massive FPV attack on Russian military aviation … ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2025, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7876 "2025-06-01T23:46:31Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > There is a standalone thread and more in the current Bunker thread. I searched for ‘bunker’ (all topics), and didn’t find the thread. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7877 "2025-06-02T00:12:33Z")
Ukraine Matters has a good commentary on the attack. Could there be more containers already strategically placed inside Russia? Trying to check such a common item across Russia would be challenging for the security forces. It would take enormous resources to prevent another attack. 12 Minutes long Link [https://youtu.be/eZjEjiDTn-U?si=lrtweVxj4aVw63Da](https://youtu.be/eZjEjiDTn-U?si=lrtweVxj4aVw63Da) ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7878 "2025-06-02T00:33:48Z")
We should all keep in mind that a great deal of what has been reported has been information leaked to the press by the SBU, the Ukrainian military intelligence agency. While some of it is certainly true based on corroborating video, in general we should be highly skeptical of the veracity of this information. This is what the SBU wants us to hear, and wants Russia to hear, and if it happens to be true it’s mostly just coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7879 "2025-06-02T00:50:30Z")
Useful psyops, though. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7880 "2025-06-02T00:56:50Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Russian logistics is going to be even more screwed than it is already if they have to treat every cargo truck like a potential attack platform… Semi, cargo truck, van, sub-compact, motorcycle, sailboat, motorboat, canoe, bicycle, pedestrian with a picnic basket… ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7881 "2025-06-02T00:58:35Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > This is what the SBU wants us to hear, and wants Russia to hear, and if it happens to be true it’s mostly just coincidence. If only there were satellites to corroborate it. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7882 "2025-06-02T01:15:46Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I searched for ‘bunker’ (all topics), and didn’t find the thread. > **[Bunker Talk: Let’s Talk About All The Things We Did And Didn’t Cover This Week](https://www.twz.com/news-features/bunker-talk-lets-talk-about-all-the-things-we-did-and-didnt-cover-this-week-146)** > > Everyone is welcome as long as it's less than three people. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7883 "2025-06-02T01:20:47Z")
The attack drone video was amazing. they aimed straight for the main tanks in the wings. I bet those high tech anti-missile tires burn nicely. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7884 "2025-06-02T01:27:05Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > If only there were satellites to corroborate it. Satellites can potentially confirm damage assessments, but they aren’t going to confirm the nationality of the truck drivers and such. Various details of how the attack was carried out have been leaked, and we should be quite skeptical of those where the information is not corroborated. Note, I’m not being at all critical of Ukrainian intelligence by saying this. They absolutely should be lying about how they pulled this off if they think doing so will be useful. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7885 "2025-06-02T01:38:32Z")
Two sources are reporting that Ukraine did not inform the White House before the attack. Big surprise. > Ukraine did not notify the Trump > administration of the attack in > advance, Ukrainian official said. A > U.S. official also told reporters the > Trump administration was not > made aware of the attack. [https://www.axios.com/2025/06/01/ukraine-drone-strikes-russia](https://www.axios.com/2025/06/01/ukraine-drone-strikes-russia) > While White House spokespeople > declined to comment on the attack, > administration sources told CBS News > on Sunday that the White House was > not aware it was coming. > **[Ukraine claims drone attack hit 40 Russian bombers as talks set to resume in...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-drone-attacks-ceasefire-talks-turkey/)** > > Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he was sending a Ukrainian delegation to Istanbul for another face-to-face with Russian representatives. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7886 "2025-06-02T01:41:36Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Two sources are reporting that Ukraine did not inform the White House before the attack. Big surprise. What they should have done is informed the White House about a fictional attack that was happening elsewhere. See if any Russians show up. Good old Canary Trap. Who knows, maybe they did do this and we just haven’t heard about it yet. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7887 "2025-06-02T02:20:41Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Various details of how the attack was carried out have been leaked, and we should be quite skeptical of those where the information is not corroborated. I’m sorry… but why should we be skeptical? 4 bomber bases were decimated and there are independent videos of the attack. FROM Russia. The nationality of the truck drivers is as relevant as the tire pressure of the trucks involved. The next wave of attacks will likely be different in every way. There’s still 2/3’s of the original bomber fleet available. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7888 "2025-06-02T02:29:32Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’m sorry… but why should we be skeptical? You are welcome to uncritically believe what a spy agency says in the hearing of their enemies if you like. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7889 "2025-06-02T02:34:07Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > You are welcome to uncritically believe what a spy agency says in the hearing of their enemies if you like. I believe they successfully carried out an attack that will go down in warfare history. You’re free to wring your hands over the details as if it matters in even the tiniest way. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7890 "2025-06-02T02:34:13Z")
Jesus Christ, no one is skeptical about if the attack happened or about the estimate of aircraft destroyed. People are rightly skeptical of the narrative of how exactly it happened. It would make sense for there to be some misinformation there. It’s not that difficult of a concept. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7891 "2025-06-02T02:53:49Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Jesus Christ, no one is skeptical about if the attack happened or about the estimate of aircraft destroyed. I’m politely skeptical about the exact number of aircraft destroyed, until it is verified. I think healthy skepticism is almost always the more reasonable approach considering the fog of war. In a certain sense it doesn’t matter all that much as it is already verified that the attack occurred and damage was inflicted. So whatever the total it was worth it, because some of those assets are irreplaceable (Tu-95 and Tu-22) and others are very, very slooowwww to replace (Tu-160 and A-50). So it’s all good and whether it is say, 25 vs 45 planes and whether they were all completely obliterated vs some are damaged but eventually recoverable, only matters at the level of just how good is it. Details DO matter, but only so much in this case. It’s a win regardless. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7892 "2025-06-02T12:21:36Z")
Let’s see how Russia responds. If it’s a small response then that’s near-confirmation that Russia’s ability to strike is significantly reduced or maybe even crippled (both from this attack and the long attrition of years of war with an incompetent/corrupt military). So far Russia has not been held back by anything but their lack of capability. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7893 "2025-06-02T12:37:16Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > They were launched from the roofs of trailers. That I knew, but that’s a “how” not a “where”. Where were the trailers? With those small copter-style drones, it had to be close to the targets. And if the drivers were actually Russian, well, war is Hell and all, but I’d hate to be any of those drivers’ families right now, because you know that Putin will retaliate against them. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Two sources are reporting that Ukraine did not inform the White House before the attack. Big surprise. Even with an ally in the White House, there’d be no reason to communicate this one. It didn’t use American assets, it doesn’t interfere with any American operations or interests, and secrecy was essential for it to work, and more communications is more opportunities for leaks or interceptions. > [@Magiver](#): > > The nationality of the truck drivers is as relevant as the tire pressure of the trucks involved. It’s very relevant, because it will affect how Russia responds to it, and in just what ways the next attack will be different. Which is precisely why Ukraine is reporting what it is. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Let’s see how Russia responds. They’ll respond by throwing more low-status troops into a meat grinder to slowly and expensively take a few more kilometers of land. That’s their only response, and it’s what they’d be doing with or without this attack. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7894 "2025-06-02T14:38:36Z")
Russian investigators have questioned the drivers of the trucks from which drones were launched during a large-scale attack on military targets. From Russian media: “One of the drivers, a 55-year-old man from Chelyabinsk named Alexander Z., said that the truck belonged to a 37-year-old man named Artyom. Some time ago, Artyom had received an order from a businessman based in the Murmansk region, who requested the transportation of four prefabricated houses from Chelyabinsk to the Kola District of Murmansk. The two men agreed on a price, and Alexander loaded the “cargo” into the truck and set off. According to him, while en route, an unknown individual contacted him by phone and gave specific instructions on when and where to stop. The final stop was near a Rosneft gas station close to a military airfield in Murmansk. It was from that location that the drones were launched. A similar story was shared by another truck driver, 61-year-old Andrey M., who said he also worked for Artyom. His task was to transport prefabricated houses to the Irkutsk region. However, when he parked near the “Teremok” café in Usolye-Sibirskoye, drones began to take off from the back of his truck. Other truck drivers involved in incidents in the Ryazan and Ivanovo regions reported similar experiences. One of them, a 46-year-old man named Sergey, told investigators he was transporting a modular house from Chelyabinsk. While driving through Ryazan, the roof of his Scania truck suddenly tore off, and drones flew out. The fourth truck, involved in the drone launch targeting the Ivanovo airfield the day before, was also loaded in Chelyabinsk. According to the driver, this truck also belonged to Artyom. A criminal case has been opened under terrorism-related charges. Investigators are currently searching for Artyom, who is reportedly a native of Ukraine.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=387) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=389)