# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 390
**Author:** ![Mops](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mops/32/16494_2.png) [@Mops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mops)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7915 "2025-06-03T16:58:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Any idea what are the large, round structures in the water? Looks like white pier posts strung together. > > … I believe they are dolphins > **[Dolphin (structure)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_(structure))** > > A dolphin is a group of pilings arrayed together to serve variously as a protective hardpoint along a dock, in a waterway, or along a shore; as a means or point of stabilization of a dock, bridge, or similar structure; as a mooring point; and as a base for navigational aids. > Dolphins typically consist of a number of piles driven into the seabed or riverbed, and connected above the water level to provide a platform or fixing point. The piles can be untreated or pressure-treated timber piles, or... which leads me to assume that the attack was to a large span intended for the passage of shipping. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7916 "2025-06-03T17:52:42Z")
If they brought down the span over the main shipping channel, would that close off access for cargo ships? Or would the debris be deep enough for ships to still transit the pass? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7917 "2025-06-03T18:40:22Z")
> [@Mops](#): > > I believe they are dolphins Thank you. I wasn’t familiar with that term. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7918 "2025-06-03T19:29:10Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > If they brought down the span over the main shipping channel, would that close off access for cargo ships? Or would the debris be deep enough for ships to still transit the pass? It would almost certainly close access until cleared. The water depth at the bridge is 9 meters. Passage under the bridge is already restricted to ships with 8 meter draft, so any debris would pretty much close it. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7919 "2025-06-03T19:34:27Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > If they brought down the span over the main shipping channel, would that close off access for cargo ships? Or would the debris be deep enough for ships to still transit the pass? I’m not a sailor, but 15 minutes of research makes it seem that the channel is shallow. The average depth is often listed as 59 feet. If the superstructure fell it would need to be removed for resumption of normal navigation. From Wikipedia: The main channel can accommodate vessels up to 215 meters long with a [draft](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_(hull)) of up to 8 meters with a compulsory [pilot](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_pilot) assistance. The canal is not straight, and its geometry further complicates safe navigation. The narrowness, limited depth, and turns of the main channel together with the often unpredictable effects of wind and visibility (fog) mean that there are strict procedures regulating strait transit. Transit of large vessels occurs on a one-way (alternating) group convoy basis. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7920 "2025-06-03T20:37:28Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > > [@Mops](#): > > > > I believe they are dolphins > > Thank you. I wasn’t familiar with that term. I first learnt it here on the Straight Dope last year, when the Francis Scott Key bridge came down. “Fighting ignorance (and building vocabulary!) since 1973! ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7921 "2025-06-03T20:51:45Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > If they brought down the span over the main shipping channel, would that close off access for cargo ships? Or would the debris be deep enough for ships to still transit the pass? The Russians intentionally made the span low enough to deny passage of Panamax ships to the Ukrainian port of Berdiansk…which is now occupied by Russia. One more instance of Russia shooting themselves in the foot. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7922 "2025-06-04T04:30:57Z")
Anything to pwn the [Khokhol](https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CK%5CH%5CKhokholIT.htm). ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7923 "2025-06-04T18:47:10Z")
Oops In Moscow, Lieutenant General Sergei Kobylaš, commander of the Russian Air Force, accidentally fell out of a window. > **[Sander (@sanderregter.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/sanderregter.bsky.social/post/3lqpwomwfmc2j)** > > The first one’s gone. > In Moscow, Lieutenant General Sergei Kobylaš, commander of the Russian Air Force, accidentally fell out of a window. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7924 "2025-06-04T19:04:36Z")
Detailed review of the strategic implications for Russia of the Spider’s Web: > **[Russia's Old Bomber Force Is Now In a 'Window of Vulnerability'](https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/russias-old-bomber-force-is-now-in-a-window-of-vulnerability/)** > > Ukraine's June 1st "Operation Spiderweb" drone strike destroyed irreplaceable Soviet-era Russian bombers (Tu-95MS, Tu-22M3); with the PAK DA stealth bomber delayed, Russia faces a long-term strategic vulnerability. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7925 "2025-06-04T22:03:04Z")
Russia really needs to teach window safety. ---
**Author:** ![Humbagger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Humbagger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Humbagger)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7926 "2025-06-05T17:55:13Z")
I very much doubt that is true. It’s been two days since that post. Google cannot find anyone confirming that, except for other Instaxbook posts repeating one another. TASS also doesn’t think he’s dead. What’s the point of smashing a window if no-one hears the glass breaking? ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7927 "2025-06-05T18:55:26Z")
If an oligarch falls in the city, and no one hears it, did he make a noise? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7928 "2025-06-05T19:14:40Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Russia really needs to teach window safety. They’re trying to evolve oligarchs who can fly. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7929 "2025-06-05T22:12:20Z")
Putin is probably tired of Zelensky talking about it. He just drones on and on. I found some of the videos interesting. They flew UNDER one of the bombers. By doing this they targeted planes loaded with missiles. This ensures it’s a functional bomber AND take out the missiles. They must have watched the base to see what was loaded. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7930 "2025-06-06T13:11:03Z")
It’s not clear to me whether Ukraine want the Crimea bridge completely down and out of commission, or just damaged enough to prevent use and force Russia to devote resources to fixing it. Either are valid strategies. Meanwhile, Ukraine is damaging Russian missiles by striking their launchers: > **[Ukraine war latest: Ukraine strikes Russian missile base in Bryansk Oblast,...](https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-85/)** > > Key developments on June 5: > > \* Ukraine strikes Russian missile base in Bryansk Oblast, damages Iskander launchers, Ukrainian military says > \* 'Deadline is in my brain' — Trump dismisses timeline to impose Russian sanctions > \* 'Not destroyed but... And Russia is damaging Russian missiles by firing them at Ukrainian cities: > **[Ukraine war latest: Russia says 'massive attack' was retaliation for...](https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-peace-talks-russia-putin-trump-zelenskyy-istanbul-latest-live-12541713)** > > Watch our live Q&A with Yalda Hakim, Michael Clarke and Dominic Waghorn below shortly. Earlier, Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Russia hit "almost all of Ukraine" with strikes last night - the Kremlin says it's retaliating for Ukraine's "terrorist... ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7931 "2025-06-06T13:25:21Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s not clear to me whether Ukraine want the Crimea bridge completely down and out of commission, or just damaged enough to prevent use and force Russia to devote resources to fixing it. I’m pretty sure that complete destruction is considered the best-case scenario, but that damage and draining resources is an acceptable outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7932 "2025-06-07T16:27:00Z")
# Huge fire breaks out at Russian oil refinery after suspected Ukrainian drone attack [MSN 7-June 2025](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/huge-fire-breaks-out-at-russian-oil-refinery-after-suspected-ukrainian-drone-attack/ar-AA1GgYtl) - Footage shows a fire raging at the industrial site in Kstovo, around 500 miles from the front lines in eastern Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7933 "2025-06-08T20:01:41Z")
Drones from train cars!! > **[Ukraine destroys 13 Russian tanks, 100 armored vehicles as locomotive lit](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-military-war-2082437)** > > The Southern Defense Forces of Ukraine has struck a Russian train carrying military equipment. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7934 "2025-06-11T18:09:55Z")
I remember many discussions about the Abrams at the beginning of the war. It’s a very good tank, but it requires a lot of maintenance. I suspect Ukraine ran the Abrams until they required maintenance to run. A dead tank is easy pickings for the Russians. > **[Just Four Abrams Tanks Left: How Russia Wiped Out 87 Percent of Ukraine’s...](https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/just-four-abrams-left-russia-wiped-out-87pct-ukraine)** > > The Ukrainian Army has been assessed to have lost 87 percent of its M1A1 Abrams main battle tanks, with 27 of the 31 vehicles delivered by the United States in late 2023 > [@](#): > > the tank roof is the weakest point of the Abrams and this is a drone war.” In December 2024 U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan concluded that the tanks had proven not to be useful and did not have the desired impact in the theatre. “When it comes to Abrams tanks, we sent Abrams tanks to Ukraine… These Abrams tank units are actually undermanned because it’s not the most useful piece of equipment for them in this fight,” he stated [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=389) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=391)