# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 391
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7935 "2025-06-25T18:06:28Z")
We’ve had a number of discussions about armed drones and how to deal with recoil. This video purports to show a drone with a rocket launcher! Not sure how accurate it is. It seems to fire in the video but I couldn’t see the impact. > ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7936 "2025-06-25T18:33:51Z")
> [@Kelevra](#): > > We’ve had a number of discussions about armed drones and how to deal with recoil. This video purports to show a drone with a rocket launcher! Well, yes, that’s one way to deal with recoil. There are ways to manage it with ordinary guns, too, though. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7937 "2025-06-25T22:19:56Z")
Rockets famously do not have much of a recoil. What they have is backblast, which can be deadly. Unless there’s another drone flying in formation nearby the backblast would not be an issue. In [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZaNtK1l8cI&t=224s) they mention they were using prototype unvented cartridges "which have a bit of a recoil compared to standard RPG rounds. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7938 "2025-06-25T22:47:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > There are ways to manage it with ordinary guns, too, though. [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/MkywCgL.jpeg "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/MkywCgL) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7939 "2025-06-26T13:39:23Z")
More drones > **[Explosions Rock Moscow as 50 Drones Target Russian Regions, Vnukovo Flights...](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/55212)** > > With Russian air defenses engaged and Moscow’s Vnukovo airport restricted, at least 50 UAVs were reportedly downed across various locations in Russia. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7940 "2025-06-29T13:27:34Z")
Russia launches record aerial attack on Ukraine. [https://www.npr.org/2025/06/29/nx-s1-5450152/russia-attack-ukraine](https://www.npr.org/2025/06/29/nx-s1-5450152/russia-attack-ukraine) ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7941 "2025-06-29T22:36:34Z")
Ukraine still operating well inside of Russia. Four valuable fighter-bombers. [https://defence-blog.com/russia-confirms-su-34-losses-in-drone-strike/](https://defence-blog.com/russia-confirms-su-34-losses-in-drone-strike/) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7942 "2025-06-29T22:54:35Z")
> [@](#): > > In a statement on social media, the air force [said](https://t.me/kpszsu/37314) Russia used 537 drones and missiles in the attack; 249 were shot down and the rest disappeared from the radar, the air force said. What does that mean? They completed their missions? They just fell out of the sky on their own? And were there any piloted aircraft in the attack? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7943 "2025-06-29T23:30:40Z")
[PBS is reporting](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/russia-has-launched-the-biggest-aerial-attack-since-the-start-of-the-war-ukraine-says): “Russia fired a total of 537 aerial weapons at Ukraine, including 477 drones and decoys and 60 missiles, Ukraine’s air force said. Of these, 249 were shot down and 226 were lost, likely having been electronically jammed.” Ukraine is effectively admitting 62 drones and missiles made it through their defenses. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7944 "2025-07-02T20:25:39Z")
> **[US halts weapons shipments to Ukraine over fears its stockpiles are too low](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/02/us-halts-ukraine-weapons-shipments?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)** > > Some shipments have been stopped ‘to put America’s interests first’, White House says ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7945 "2025-07-02T21:19:48Z")
Critics are saying ‘Putin First,’ ‘Disgraceful. Doing Putin’s bidding yet again,’ and ‘Trump works for Putin.’ ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7946 "2025-07-07T20:57:09Z")
> **[Russia’s former transport minister dies from gunshot hours after sacking](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/07/russias-former-transport-minister-dies-from-gunshot-wound-hours-after-sacking)** > > News of Roman Starovoit’s death made public shortly after that of his sacking by Putin, but timeline is unconfirmed ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7947 "2025-07-07T21:47:46Z")
I guess they ran out of windows before they ran out of bullets. These are mostly suicides, right? Do the “right thing” and we won’t fuck with your family. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7948 "2025-07-07T22:40:14Z")
Excellent analysis by geopolitics expert Anders Puck Nielson on the state of the war and what he thinks of Trump’s approach to Ukraine. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/YO1TnWptv3o/maxresdefault.jpg "War update – Is Trump helping Russia now?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO1TnWptv3o) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7949 "2025-07-07T22:56:18Z")
Trump’s frustration with Putin seems genuine and it’s increasing. Zelenskiy is being smart and quietly keeps reminding Trump of the slaughter inside Ukraine. [https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/trump-zelesnkiy-discuss-weapons-escalating-russian-strikes-2025-07-04/](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/trump-zelesnkiy-discuss-weapons-escalating-russian-strikes-2025-07-04/) > [@](#): > > Asked whether the United States would agree to supply more Patriot missiles to Ukraine, as requested by Zelenskiy, Trump said: “They’re going to need them for defense… They’re going to need something because they’re being hit pretty hard.” > > Trump touted the efficacy of the Patriot missiles, calling the weapon “pretty amazing.” > > Asked about the prospects for a ceasefire, Trump said, "It’s a very tough situation… I was very unhappy with my call with President Putin. He wants to go all the way, just keep killing people - it’s no good ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7950 "2025-07-07T23:08:53Z")
Just to reiterate (and paraphrase) what Anders was saying at the end of the video: Trump is currently doing exactly what Putin would like him to do. Stopping the military aid while talking up the possibility that it will be restarted and therefore dissuading other states from stepping in quickly as they wait to see what the US will do. Time will tell whether the actions will follow the words. I will not be holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7951 "2025-07-07T23:17:13Z")
Germany is trying to help. But the potential roadblock is still in the Oval office. [https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-talks-buy-patriots-ukraine-after-us-pause-2025-07-04/](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-talks-buy-patriots-ukraine-after-us-pause-2025-07-04/) > [@](#): > > Germany, Ukraine’s second largest donor after the United States, has sought to [take on more of a leadership role](https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraines-zelenskiy-talk-with-merz-berlin-wednesday-2025-05-28/) in ensuring backing for Kyiv as U.S. support has been thrown into question under Trump. > > While [Europe could sustain Ukraine’s resistance](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/europe-can-sustain-ukraines-war-effort-without-us-german-general-says-2025-06-06/) without U.S. military support, according to a senior German military official, the challenges would be immense. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7952 "2025-07-08T21:40:05Z")
President Donald Trump has ordered the resumption of U.S. weapons shipments to Ukraine after being caught “flat-footed” by a Pentagon decision to pause deliveries of key munitions, three people familiar with the internal discussions told the Associated Press. > **[Donald Trump caught "flat-footed" by Pentagon's Ukraine weapons pause](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-pentagon-ukraine-weapons-halt-flat-footed-2096285)** > > When a reporter asked Tuesday who approved the pause, President Trump responded curtly: "I don't know. Why don't you tell me?" I don’t trust Trump and I am still hopeful this is actually meaningful - though I remain a sceptic. Meanwhile in Russia: > **[Kremlin Slams Trump Over Renewed US Arms to Ukraine, Says...](https://united24media.com/latest-news/kremlin-slams-trump-over-renewed-us-arms-to-ukraine-says-it-undermines-peace-9704)** > > Kremlin officials criticize Trump's renewed arms support for Ukraine, claiming it jeopardizes diplomatic efforts for peace. A Kremlin spokesman said “It is obvious that the Europeans are also playing an active role in pumping Ukraine full of weapons” - which is a bit rich considering nobody has put anywhere near as many weapons into Ukraine as Russia has. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7953 "2025-07-08T22:14:03Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > which is a bit rich considering nobody has put anywhere near as many weapons into Ukraine as Russia has. At one point in the first year, it was pointed out that the number of Russian tanks captured by Ukraine was greater than the number of Ukrainian tanks destroyed by Russia. Is that still true? ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7954 "2025-07-11T17:29:07Z")
[According to Oryx, Ukraine has captured 533 tanks and lost 1213.](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html) Oryx only counts those that have verifiable video evidence so the real numbers are going to be different but it’s the best source I know. Russia tank losses ( Tanks (4067, of which destroyed: 2984, damaged: 158, abandoned: 392, captured: 533)) Ukraine tank losses (Tanks (1213, of which destroyed: 890, damaged: 81, abandoned: 96, captured: 146)) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=390) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=392)