# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 392
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2025, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7955 "2025-07-12T03:14:02Z")
What would an ‘abandoned’ tank be? One would think it quickly would either be recovered by the owning side and repaired if need be, or captured by the other side. Whichever scenario it seems a temporary status. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2025, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7956 "2025-07-12T03:44:55Z")
Non-salvageable? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2025, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7957 "2025-07-12T03:53:35Z")
Which would be the equivalent of destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2025, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7958 "2025-07-12T04:15:36Z")
Given that Oryx is based entirely on video evidence, if the video shows a tank abandoned and not destroyed, then it will go into the database as abandoned even if it is subsequently destroyed/captured/recovered. Although, they do go to some effort to find subsequent videos showing the ultimate fate of such vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7959 "2025-07-15T14:24:03Z")
Well, I’m pleasantly surprised. There’s support for Ukraine **and** NATO. Guardian live feed. I didn’t want to mess with their formatting to condense the quote. > [@](#): > > ## ‘Disappointed in him, but not done with him’, Trump says of Putin as he offers his backing to Nato > > On **Putin** , **Trump** said he thought he had a deal with him on [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) “four times.” > > > _“I’m **disappointed in him, but I’m not done with him** , but I’m disappointed in him._ > > > > _We had a deal done four times and then you go home and you see just attacked a nursing home in Kyiv. And so what the hell was that all about?”_ > > Asked if he trusted him, he said: > > > _ **I trust almost nobody, to be honest with you.** _ > > Trump also **said he strongly supported Nato** , saying that “Nato is now becoming the opposite of” being obsolete, as he once said. > > He added it was “very unfair because the United States paid for almost 100% of it, but now they are paying their own bills.” > > Asked if he believes in Nato’s fundamental Article 5 on collective defence, he said: > > > _ **Yeah, I think collective defence is fine.** _ > > Trump also spoke on how his relationship with European leaders changed over the years, saying “it’s maybe not all luck; it’s like when you do it twice, it’s a big difference.” > > > _“Over the years, they’ve gotten to know me._ > > > > _This is not an easy crowd to break into. You understand, these are smart people heading up very, very successful generally, countries, you know, they’re all Germany and France, Spain and, you know, big countries._ > > > > _And you know, I’ve gotten to know them, and I think they’ve come to respect my, respect me and my decision making._ ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7960 "2025-07-18T14:02:46Z")
Major cyberattack reportedly carried out > **[Ukrainian hackers wipe databases at Russia's Gazprom in major cyberattack,...](https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-intel-hackers-hit-gazproms-network-infrastructure-sources-say-07-2025/)** > > The cyberattack allegedly destroyed large volumes of data and installed custom software designed to further damage the company's information systems. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7961 "2025-07-18T14:12:33Z")
I wonder if/how this attack will affect Gazproms customer base. Certainly it might cause international customers to look elsewhere for their gas. I like this attack. It damages Russia’s few remaining sources of income without any physical damage and at relatively low cost to Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7962 "2025-07-18T23:46:19Z")
I wonder how vulnerable Russia’s electrical transmission infrastructure is to cyberattacks like this. Given how relentlessly Russia’s been attacking Ukraine’s power service, it seems an appropriate response. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7963 "2025-07-19T01:09:06Z")
> **[First Australian tanks handed over to Ukrainian army](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/18/first-australian-tanks-handed-over-to-ukrainian-army?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)** > > Defence minister Richard Marles says Australia is ‘steadfast’ in support of Kyiv as Abrams tanks go into action ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7964 "2025-08-02T00:14:18Z")
> **[Drone drops electric bike to help Ukrainian soldier escape Russians](https://electrek.co/2025/08/01/drone-drops-electric-bike-to-help-ukrainian-soldier-escape-russians/)** > > In one of the most innovative battlefield escapes to date, a Ukrainian soldier managed to flee Russian encirclement thanks to... ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7965 "2025-08-02T00:29:06Z")
> **[Trump moves nuclear submarines after ex-Russia president’s menacing tweet](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/01/trump-nuclear-submarines-russia-ukraine)** > > Order comes after president’s anger at tweet from Dmitry Medvedev which called Trump’s threat to sanction Russia over Ukraine a ‘step towards war’ ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7966 "2025-08-02T06:55:28Z")
I thought Medvedev is now considered an attention-grabbing irrelevance these days? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7967 "2025-08-02T16:56:00Z")
Dmitry Medvedev is one of the highest ranking politicians in Russia. His mouth has strings attached to it. If he said anything that Putin doesn’t like then it’s a short trip off a tall building. I would add that Trump’s response was political theater. He’s just reminding Putin that any US submarine with ICBM’s can hit Russia from anywhere on the planet. A single one of those subs can carry 20 Trident II nuclear missiles which can carry between 4 and 20 warheads each. so on the low end that’s 80 nuclear weapons per sub. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7968 "2025-08-03T13:38:13Z")
> **Summary** > > > [@PatrickLondon](#): > > > > I thought Medvedev is now considered an attention-grabbing irrelevance these days? > > And Trump is considered one of the easiest morons to rile up. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7969 "2025-08-03T13:40:00Z")
**Moderating:** This remains a #breaking-news thread. Keep blatant political jabs like this out of it please. Very likely to start a hijack. I hid it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Calder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@Calder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calder)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7970 "2025-08-04T18:31:55Z")
I think it is useful to see Dmitry Medvedev’s role as similar to that of a Vice President in the American system. ie an attack dog that can say the things the current leader can’t or doesn’t want to say, but also politically completely irrelevant with almost no real power, so you don’t have to worry he is serious about using nukes. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7971 "2025-08-07T03:30:04Z")
> **[Solar-powered ambush drones can wait for targets like land mines](https://www.newscientist.com/article/2490080-solar-powered-ambush-drones-can-wait-for-targets-like-land-mines/)** > > Russian ambush drones have been seen in Ukraine fitted with cheap solar panels, which enable them to lurk indefinitely, waiting for a target to come near ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7972 "2025-08-17T13:16:21Z")
Monday’s White House meeting will include a large gathering of European Leaders. That should preclude any attempts to force Russia’s terms onto Volodymyr Zelensky. I’m relieved Volodymyr Zelensky isn’t attending this meeting alone. [He was treated very badly in February.](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c625ex282zzt) I find it very interesting that so many European leaders are traveling to Washington on short notice. This WH meeting must be very important and high stakes. BBC live feed > [@](#): > > - [Prime Minister Keir Starmer](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cev28rvzlv1t?post=asset%3Aac41fab4-bc6d-4eec-b2ef-78a7a2aa76de#post) and several other European leaders will join Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for a meeting with President Trump at the White House on Monday > - Downing Street say the PM and other European leaders “stand ready to support this next phase of further talks and will reaffirm that his backing for Ukraine” - [here’s who else is travelling to Washington](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cev28rvzlv1t?post=asset%3Aa20856fe-67e6-407f-a415-e2e9879bcb8e#post) > - _It’s an unprecedented gathering, with a large group of European leaders travelling to take their message to Trump directly,_ [_our political correspondent writes_](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cev28rvzlv1t?post=asset%3Ab1f204b0-8f7a-4853-9179-f445082c45fb#post) > - On Sunday, France, Germany and the UK will hold a call with Zelensky and other allies on the Ukraine war > - This follows a failed summit in Alaska on Friday where Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin were unable to reach a deal on ending the Ukraine war. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7973 "2025-08-17T15:26:43Z")
Boy, talk about optimism, or maybe hope, overriding experience. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2025, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7974 "2025-08-17T15:58:31Z")
I suspect a lot of it is “we’ve got to at least try.” Expectations are another matter. Though whether the group of them together can bring any leverage to bear that Trump’s capable of recognizing, they’d know better than I do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=391) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=393)