# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 396
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2026, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8036 "2026-01-07T23:04:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Versus the 2 nations that just joined NATO because of it? I’m sure that that’s quite unpalatable to Putin, too, but unlike a potential Ukraine peace deal, nobody gave him any input on Sweden and Finland. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8037 "2026-01-08T02:48:00Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Regardless, a still-mostly-intact Ukraine with NATO troops guarding the border would still be a quite unpalatable option to Putin. You can skip over that > [@Chronos](#): > > with NATO troops guarding the border part, and still Putin wont like it. He wants all Ukraine. And Poland, and Latvia, and Lithuania, and Estonia, and … He might be willing to sign a peace deal that will give him a good part of Ukraine, because he is just planning on coming back later. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8038 "2026-01-08T02:51:03Z")
He’ll do the same thing he did after grabbing Crimea. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8039 "2026-01-08T04:54:29Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He might be willing to sign a peace deal that will give him a good part of Ukraine, because he is just planning on coming back later. That would be a lot more difficult if he had to go through British and French troops in addition to Ukrainian. Although if I was Ukraine I’d feel better with peacekeepers from countries that had more direct skin in the game, like Polish or Finnish troops. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8040 "2026-01-08T15:50:03Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He thought his “great, unbeatable” Russian army would roll over them in a matter of days, then on to the next victim. Just read a 2018 book where part of the plot is Russia planning to take their unbeatable army into Ukraine, Iran, and the Baltics more-or-less simultaneously. Time has moved on from that plot line. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8041 "2026-01-08T20:00:48Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > That would be a lot more difficult if he had to go through British and French troops in addition to Ukrainian. Why? And how long will they be stationed there? > [@Folacin](#): > > Time has moved on from that plot line. Has Putin? That is still his dream. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8042 "2026-01-08T20:31:29Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Why? And how long will they be stationed there? Because presumably the British and French public wouldn’t take kindly to their countrymen being killed by the Russian military, and would take steps such as sending in reinforcements to prevent that if Russia starts acting aggressively. Those reinforcements would, in addition to defending their fellow countrymen, would also be defending Ukraine simultaneously. Of course there’s also the possibility that the British and French public will respond by saying “bring the troops home”, which is why I mentioned Polish and Finnish troops being a better option. My assumption is that the Polish and Finnish public are less likely than the British and French public to respond by saying “let’s just bring the troops home and not bother with fighting against Russia”. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8043 "2026-01-08T20:34:18Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Because presumably the British and French public wouldn’t take kindly to their countrymen being killed by the Russian military, and would take steps such as sending in reinforcements to prevent that if Russia starts acting aggressively. Those reinforcements would, in addition to defending their fellow countrymen, would also be defending Ukraine simultaneously. Of course there’s also the possibility that the British and French public will respond by saying “bring the troops home”, Yeah, while i admit it would be a really nice gesture, and it would work _if_ Putin was sane… Also the UK army isnt very big. > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > My assumption is that the Polish and Finnish public are less likely than the British and French public to respond by saying “let’s just bring the troops home and not bother with fighting against Russia”. Good point. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8044 "2026-01-08T22:24:12Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > My assumption is that the Polish and Finnish public are less likely than the British and French public to respond by saying “let’s just bring the troops home and not bother with fighting against Russia”. On the other hand, the Polish and Finnish people may have a strong feeling that they can’t afford to send their troops out of their country in the first place. France and the UK have a cordon sanitaire between them and Russia: the Nordics and Central Europe. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8045 "2026-01-09T01:15:44Z")
Poland and Finland are already fully committed to helping Ukraine. Putting British and French troops there would make a real difference. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8046 "2026-01-09T08:00:14Z")
The UK had troops in Iraq for 8 years (and Afghanistan for 20). There wasn’t any significant campaigning against the deployment, but of course a large part of that time was in various sorts of support and training local forces, rather than overtly to deter an aggressive neighbour state. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8047 "2026-01-13T13:43:16Z")
In case anyone needs reminding of the depths to which the “new KGB” regime has taken Russia: > **[‘I made the biggest mistake’: the young Yemeni men lured into the Russian...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/13/i-made-the-biggest-mistake-young-yemeni-men-lured-into-russian-army-with-empty-promises?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > The offer of thousands of dollars a month was hard to refuse for those living in poverty in a war-torn country. But while some Yemenis have died on the frontline, others are now prisoners of war ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8048 "2026-01-13T17:06:21Z")
Ukraine has officially received 44 of the 87 F-16s that European nations have promised to donate to Kyiv. Its first crews for the [American-made aircraft](https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-old-f16s-outclassed-russia-best-jets-former-general-nato-2024-10) were trained in Romania. First hand experience of an Ukrainian F16 pilot. I think there doing much better than many people expected. Their survival depends on avoiding getting drawn into traps and getting wiped out. Link [Ukraine's F-16 Pilot Said He 'Encountered Reality' After NATO Training - Business Insider](https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-f16-pilot-different-type-war-nato-training-encountered-reality-2026-1) > [@](#): > > The pilot said he flew [Kyiv’s Soviet-made combat aircraft](https://www.businessinsider.com/video-ukrainian-mig-29-fighter-jet-makes-incredibly-low-pass-2023-11) in the initial days of Russia’s full-scale invasion, before being sent abroad to train to fly the F-16s donated by the West. > > Once he returned to the war, he and his fellow pilots “encountered reality,” he said. > > “The tactics that we were taught abroad do not entirely fit the war we have here, because those tactics are also based on wars in which the partners previously took part,” the pilot said. “And this war is fundamentally different from those wars.” > > Ukrainian pilots had to devise their own tactics, he said. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2026, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8049 "2026-01-24T22:45:19Z")
It’s interesting how decisions made by the Soviets is dramatically effecting Ukrainians lives today. Re-engineering a multi-storey apartment block’s HVAC is expensive and complicated. They could use kerosene heaters on each floor. But it is labor intensive to bring in fuel and refill the tanks. It’s also a fire hazard. > **[How Soviet urban planning is helping Russia freeze Ukraine](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c338jpk8r1vo)** > > Thousands of people are affected when heating plants are targeted by Russian forces. > [@](#): > > What is making things much worse for Ukraine and easier for Russia is the widespread prevalence of apartment blocks that rely on communal central heating - where water is heated up elsewhere and then pumped into their radiators. > > Heating plants in Ukraine are huge and many thousands of people are affected when they are targeted by Russian forces. Ukraine says that all such power plants have now been hit. > > Such attacks also disrupt electricity supplies, but while a generator or battery pack might help in this situation, heating is less straightforward - especially when there is also no electricity to power your heater. > > Kyivteploenergo, the monopoly supplying heating and hot water in the Ukrainian capital, told the BBC “the absolute majority” of houses in Kyiv rely on its services. It said it could not share the exact number for security reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2026, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8050 "2026-01-25T01:06:51Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s interesting how decisions made by the Soviets is dramatically effecting Ukrainians lives today. And the Putin’s decision to target them is a war crime. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2026, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8051 "2026-01-27T13:17:19Z")
More on tricking foreigners (in this case Kenyans) into the Russian army: > **[‘I didn’t know how to shoot’: how African men have been tricked into fighting...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/26/african-men-tricked-into-fighting-ukraine-for-russia?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > Exclusive: Lured by false job adverts, they are unknowingly enlisted on arrival and put in mortal danger ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2026, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8052 "2026-04-14T02:45:56Z")
> **[No infantry needed. Ukrainian robots, for first time, capture Russian position...](https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/no-infantry-needed-ukrainian-robots-for-first-1776101967.html)** > > Read more ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2026, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8053 "2026-04-14T05:57:55Z")
Whoa! If Ukraine can get lots more of those robot soldiers, they’ll win this war in no time. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2026, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8054 "2026-04-14T06:30:49Z")
I imagine Defence/War ministries worldwide will be scrambling to re-assess… well, just about everything. All it needs now is a touch of AI - or not. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2026, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8055 "2026-04-14T09:07:34Z")
Yes, this is the future of ground combat happening right now in front of us! We knew that tanks were, if not obsolete, at least no longer rulers of the battlefield. It is essentially all about who has, and can properly implement, the best robotic technology. Maybe the Ukranians are just better set up and inclined to the innovations necessary? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=395) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=397)