# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 399
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8096 "2026-06-09T13:05:20Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Ukraine crosses new line: drones kill Shaheds on autopilot: That article doesn’t say, but I’d be interested in the relative cost of one of these Shahed-killer drones vs. the cost of a Shahed itself. The defense drone is probably cheaper, but by how much? ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8097 "2026-06-09T13:24:10Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Ukraine has “drone superiority” and is hitting/destroying logistics hubs, vehicles, bridges, and trains. I don’t have a cite off hand, but I recall reading that this is expected to be a temporary situation. The idea seems to be that Russia will likely “catch up” and be able to defend against these new attacks within about 6 month or so. Hopefully Ukraine takes full advantage of this window, however short or long it may be. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8098 "2026-06-09T13:35:17Z")
I’m sure the balance is even more favorable when you include the cost of having the Shaheed’s target successfully destroyed or damaged if it gets through. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2026, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8099 "2026-06-10T14:51:59Z")
> **[Ukraine war briefing: Moscow car bomb kills Russian ammunition chief – reports](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/10/ukraine-war-briefing-moscow-car-bomb-kills-russian-ammunition-chief-reports?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > Second car bomb was discovered and blown up by authorities; more panic buying of fuel in Russia as Ukrainian attacks bite. What we know on day 1,568 ---
**Author:** ![Calder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@Calder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calder)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2026, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8100 "2026-06-10T17:49:00Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I’m sure the balance is even more favorable when you include the cost of having the Shaheed’s target successfully destroyed or damaged if it gets through. Both Ukraine and Russia use multiple types of drones for these purposes, and depending on the type, the cost can vary a lot. Most Ukrainian interceptor drones cost from $3000-$5000 depending on the make and model. Their most plentiful interceptor is the P1‑Sun interceptors: ~$3,000 each. Russian Shaheed clones can cost anywhere from $20,000-$50,000. The majority in use today that are built in Russia are $40-50,000 because they are bigger, more capable, and Russia has higher labor costs than Iran. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2026, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8101 "2026-06-10T18:44:43Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > [Ukraine war briefing: Moscow car bomb kills Russian ammunition chief – reports | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/10/ukraine-war-briefing-moscow-car-bomb-kills-russian-ammunition-chief-reports?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other) Interesting cite, thanks- > Disruptions to fuel supplies have triggered **panic-buying in Russia’s Krasnodar region** , the governor said, as Ukrainian strikes on energy infrastructure continued to **hit fuel deliveries** across several southern regions and Russian-held Crimea. On Tuesday, emergency services said they had finally extinguished an oil depot fire in the town of Ust-Labinsk in Krasnodar after a Ukrainian drone attack on Saturday. … The EU hopes to **ban Russian soldiers from entering member states** as part of further sanctions that also target banks, crypto firms and the Kremlin’s oil revenues, [Jennifer Rankin writes from Brussels](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/09/eu-ban-russian-soldiers-fresh-sanctions-moscow). The commission wants to maintain a price cap on Russian oil at $44 until January 2027; add 30 “shadow fleet” oil tankers to its blacklist, in addition to 632 already under restrictions; and extend sanctions against cryptocurrency firms, banks and oil traders helping Russia. > > The latest sanctions proposals extend for the first time to **Russian fish imports, with a potential ban on cod** and restrictions on trade in other species. The EU also intends to ban the import of Russian metals, ores and car parts worth €60m (£52m) as part of continuing attempt to restrict economic ties. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2026, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8102 "2026-06-11T11:39:54Z")
Ukraine keeps fighting on and surprising the world. So far, the US aid cuts haven’t completely shut down Ukraine’s ability to fight. Link [‘Highway of death’: the Ukrainian drone campaign menacing Russian logistics | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/11/highway-of-death-the-ukrainian-drone-campaign-menacing-russian-logistics) > [@](#): > > The road, which has been almost completely closed to civilian traffic since late May, is particularly important to Moscow because it constitutes the main land corridor for supplying Russian forces in the south that avoid the exposed Kerch Bridge to Crimea. > > Drivers have recorded video footage that not only shows burnt-out trucks on the side of the road, but in some instances captures the drone attacks themselves. > > Traffic was suspended this week on the Chonhar Bridge – a key section of the road connecting Russia-occupied Kherson province to Crimea – after a series of Ukrainian drone strikes. Ukraine’s 1st Separate Assault Regiment said on Tuesday: “We see all movements and totally control the enemy’s repair works. We are ready to make our long-range adjustments at any moment.” > > Ukrainian drone operators, including those of 412th “Nemesis” brigade, say dozens of trucks and tankers have been destroyed as part of an intensified effort known as the “middle strike campaign”. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2026, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8103 "2026-06-13T06:57:14Z")
> **[Ukraine war briefing: Flamingo missiles hit more far-flung Russian targets](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/11/ukraine-war-briefing-flamingo-missiles-hit-more-far-flung-russian-targets?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > Military factory in Cheboksary lies 900km from frontline; Zelenskyy inaugurates ‘Day of the Unmanned Systems Forces’. What we know on day 1,569 ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2026, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8104 "2026-06-15T07:14:34Z")
Russia/Ukraine update: **russia Unveils New Zubr Air Defense System to Protect Its Oil Refineries From Ukrainian Drones:** > **[​russia Unveils New Zubr Air Defense System to Protect Its Oil Refineries...](https://en.defence-ua.com/news/russia_unveils_new_zubr_air_defense_system_to_protect_its_oil_refineries_from_ukrainian_drones-18812.html)** > > Although the concept of an automated machine-gun-equipped truck seems straightforward, russia only brought the Zubr air defense system into service six months ago **Ukraine targets Russian industry, as Moscow bears down on eastern city:** > **[Ukraine targets Russian industry, as Moscow bears down on eastern city](https://newswav.com/article/ukraine-targets-russian-industry-as-moscow-bears-down-on-eastern-city-A2606_ZZOBoD)** > > FILE PHOTO - Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky speaks at a press conference. (is associated with: «Ukraine targets Russian industry, as Moscow bears down o **Video shows British forces board Russian shadow tanker:** > **[Video shows British forces board Russian shadow tanker](https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/video-shows-british-forces-board-russian-shadow-tanker/)** > > Newly released footage shows Royal Marine Commandos of the UK Commando Force boarding the Russian shadow fleet tanker SMYRTOS in the Channel, a vessel sailing under a false Cameroonian flag, in the first UK-led operation of its kind. **russia Replaces High-Power Explosives in Artillery Shells With Weaker TA-20 — How Much Firepower It Stands to Lose:** > **[​russia Replaces High-Power Explosives in Artillery Shells With Weaker TA-20...](https://en.defence-ua.com/news/russia_replaces_high_power_explosives_in_artillery_shells_with_weaker_ta_20_how_much_firepower_it_stands_to_lose-18809.html)** > > russia is switching en masse to the less powerful TA-20 explosive in the production of artillery and tank shells — why this is happening, what the difference is, and how much power the shells will lose as a result ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2026, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8105 "2026-06-15T12:49:11Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > **russia Unveils New Zubr Air Defense System to Protect Its Oil Refineries From Ukrainian Drones:** I note looking at that picture that all four machine guns are mounted on the same turret, and hence must all aim at the same azimuth (and possibly also the same altitude; it’s unclear from the picture whether the left and right sides can elevate independently). Which means that it could be defeated by the simple expedient of drones approaching the target from two different directions. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2026, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8106 "2026-06-15T16:02:15Z")
As is the case of most anti-aircraft systems, one emplacement is expected to engage one target at a time. That’s why it appears that a standard battery is four of those gun platforms tied to one control van and detection radar set. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2026, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8107 "2026-06-15T17:25:14Z")
That just makes the system even more expensive, though. Certainly more expensive than the number of drones it’d take to overwhelm it. But hey, if Russia wants to spend lots and lots of their increasingly-scarce money on weapons systems that don’t even do their job, I won’t complain. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2026, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8108 "2026-06-15T22:34:13Z")
Sorry wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8109 "2026-06-17T01:55:33Z")
Systems for shooting down flying objects have been using multiple barrels forever. In WWII, a lot of weapons used two or four barrels, such as the British pompom guns, or the 40-mm Bofors. The Iowa class battleships had 20 quad mount Bofors systems for a total of 80 barrels. Fighters also had multiple machine guns that fired together. The P-51 had six 50 cal machine guns firing together. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8110 "2026-06-17T02:08:36Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > In WWII, a lot of weapons used two or four barrels Four barrels? Piker. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/MkVIIIpompomsHMSRodney1940.jpg/960px-MkVIIIpompomsHMSRodney1940.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/MkVIIIpompomsHMSRodney1940.jpg/960px-MkVIIIpompomsHMSRodney1940.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8111 "2026-06-17T12:25:48Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Systems for shooting down flying objects have been using multiple barrels forever. That works fine, when the flying objects you’re trying to down cost a million times as much as your ammunition. But any sensible drone-defense system needs to be pretty close to one kill per shot, and then needs to be able very quickly move on to the next target after that one shot, or you’re still losing. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8112 "2026-06-17T12:50:06Z")
How much are you calculating the cost of machine gun bullets? And you expect the one shot from a gun will down any drone? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8113 "2026-06-17T13:19:56Z")
Video game targeting skills, apparently. Not any actual familiarity with real life examples of unguided projectile-based air defense systems. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8114 "2026-06-17T13:21:27Z")
Remember, this is a #breaking-news thread. Conjecture belongs in one of the other #ukraine-invasion threads. **Moderating:** ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2026, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8115 "2026-06-18T13:43:33Z")
Russians can see the acrid black smoke over Moscow. It doesn’t matter if the state news propaganda only reports success inside Ukraine. Everyday Russians in Moscow know differently. > **[Moscow comes under largest Ukrainian drone attack since start of the war](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98291g5rr1o)** > > A refinery and a shopping centre were burning after almost 200 Ukrainian drones struck an area to the south-east of the Russian capital. > [@](#): > > Fires broke out as the Kapotnya refinery in south-east Moscow was hit for the third time in a month and the second time this week, colouring the sky black with smoke. Numerous videos showed the lid of a large oil storage tank blown dozens of metres into the air by the force of an explosion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=398) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=400)