# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 401
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2026, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8136 "2026-06-23T15:50:32Z")
About 48 intact out of the 84 pre-war size. > **[Russian Black Sea Fleet :: List of the Military Ships 2026](https://www.kchf.ru/eng/ship/today.htm)** > > Black Sea Fleet : Information Resource. History, warships, battles, command, events of the Black Sea Fleet. The most authentic information from the first hands. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2026, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8137 "2026-06-23T15:55:13Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > How much is even left of the Black Sea fleet? A little bit more than half apparently - they’ve taken a shellacking. But it ultimately doesn’t matter in context. Ships are easier to build than an entire regions worth of factories and supply chains. As long as Russia clings to pretensions of great or even regional power status on the Black Sea, Crimea will be a strategic linchpin. Their other port options aren’t competitive. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2026, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8138 "2026-06-23T16:05:59Z")
To keep this news: The Turkish Fleet is now several times more powerful than the Black Sea . The ship has sailed on being a significant regional power. Russia has no new assets on the way and meanwhile the Turkish Navy is adding a carrier and some modern Destroyers. These will most likely be the best warships on the Black Sea. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2026, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8139 "2026-06-23T16:09:37Z")
Russia has a little over half the number of ships left, but I’m having a hard time finding info on the tonnage, or total firepower, or equivalent (I’m sure there are plenty here who know better than I the most appropriate measure to use). I know that the Moscow was by far the largest of them, before it obligingly go fucked itself, so it seems likely that they’re well under half of their actual total pre-war strength. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2026, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8140 "2026-06-23T16:14:33Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > It isn’t pride, Russia needs Crimea in a way they really don’t need the Donbas. Oh I agree, but that’s an _strategic_ objective, a _tactical_ withdrawal from Crimea may help them win the war eventually and _then_ reclaim it in the negotiations table, after the Ukrainians in turn fail to hold it. Of course, possession is more than 9/10 of the law in foreign relations, so it could backfire. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2026, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8141 "2026-06-23T16:15:00Z")
It is tricky, many of those larger ships they lost were Soviet. They were old and not likely well maintained. But the numbers were in the link I gave. The Black Sea fleet is significantly weaker, no new assets coming. The only other major player in the Black Sea is Turkey and they are now much more powerful with better assets on the way. Just outside the Black Sea sits Greece. It looks like their Navy might well match Russia now and beyond that is the rest of the Mediterranean NATO Navies. Far more powerful. Russia is currently afraid to expose their remaining assets to just the Ukraine anti-ship forces. The Black Sea Fleet is bottled. It will be decades before they actually need the capacity of Crimea, if ever. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2026, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8142 "2026-06-23T17:04:25Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Ukraine can apparently hit the bridge any time they want, but are not doing so, in order to give the Russians a window to leave the peninsula. Unless your objective is total annihilation – and you have the assets to assure it – always leave your enemy a way out to prevent its “fighting with the courage of despair.” – Sun Tzu This is to say nothing about humanitarian reasons like civilians who’d rather be somewhere else and the massive hit on morale of the invaders. > [@What\_Exit](#): > > The only other major player in the Black Sea is Turkey and they are now much more powerful with better assets on the way. > > Just outside the Black Sea sits Greece. It looks like their Navy might well match Russia now and beyond that is the rest of the Mediterranean NATO Navies. Far more powerful. One of the layers I can bring up on my [Geochron](https://www.geochron.com/) is _Active Carriers_ which is updated once a week from public sources. The name is a bit of a misnomer as it actually ranges from carrier strike groups and amphibious task forces for the USN on down to the most prominent ships of the lesser navies. In the European regional map, which includes both the Black and Baltic seas, the Russian navy assets shown are down to frigates. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2026, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8143 "2026-06-28T22:14:16Z")
LONG RANGE SANCTIONS indeed > ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2026, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8144 "2026-06-29T22:00:17Z")
Now, even Putin is acknowledging fuel shortages. > **[Putin admits Ukrainian drone strikes are driving Russian fuel shortages](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/28/putin-admits-ukrainian-strikes-driving-russian-fuel-shortages)** > > President says attacks on infrastructure are causing ‘obvious’ problems but that they are ‘not critical’ ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2026, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8145 "2026-06-29T22:02:58Z")
The fuel shortages across Russia are acute and Russians are fleeing Crimea. It does feel like things are coming to a head. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2026, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8146 "2026-06-30T01:03:20Z")
Denys Davydov is saying on his YT channel that Ukraine is going to do an amphibious landing in the NW coast of Crimea, or at least that the Russians are expecting them to. What his sources are I don’t know. If they are planning anything like that I hope they’re really landing elsewhere, _a la_ Normandy! ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2026, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8147 "2026-06-30T01:44:06Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > Denys Davydov is saying on his YT channel that Ukraine is going to do an amphibious landing in the NW coast of Crimea Unless there are robots on those landing craft, I hope they don’t try something like that. Ukraine is on the cutting edge of the future of warfare. Resorting to costly tactics from WWII is not the future of a smart military. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2026, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8148 "2026-06-30T02:19:48Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Unless there are robots on those landing craft, I hope they don’t try something like that. Ukraine is on the cutting edge of the future of warfare. Resorting to costly tactics from WWII is not the future of a smart military. They wouldn’t be that dumb. It will be bait to draw Russian resources from elsewhere, and strike a psychological blow. And of course if the Russians don’t take the base, and Ukraine manages to establish enough of a beach-head to stage some rocket artillery, Crimea starts looking fairly precarious for Russia. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2026, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8149 "2026-06-30T02:27:10Z")
**Moderating** : Please take this discussion to another #ukraine-invasion, this is the #breaking-news thread for it. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2026, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8150 "2026-06-30T05:16:31Z")
Russia/Ukraine update. **Russia pounds on the gates of Ukraine’s ‘fortress belt’:** [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-pounds-gates-ukraines-fortress-belt-2026-06-29/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-pounds-gates-ukraines-fortress-belt-2026-06-29/) **Putin Adopts Nazi Strategy With Strikes On Ukraine’s Most Sacred Sites:** > **[Putin Adopts Nazi Strategy With Strikes On Ukraine’s Most Sacred Sites](https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinholdenplatt/2026/06/28/putin-adopts-nazi-strategy-with-strikes-on-ukraines-most-sacred-sites/)** > > With airstrikes on Ukraine’s cathedrals and temples, and targeted killings of religious leaders, Russia’s Vladimir Putin is reviving the war strategies of Adolph Hitler. **Ukraine’s Barracuda Drones Now Deliver FPV Kill Chains to russian Positions Along the Dnipro (Video):** > **[Ukraine's Barracuda Drones Now Deliver FPV Kill Chains to russian Positions...](https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ukraines_barracuda_drones_now_deliver_fpv_kill_chains_to_russian_positions_along_the_dnipro_video-18972.html)** > > Ukraine's 40th Brigade has demonstrated a new tactic that uses sea drones to deploy reconnaissance UAVs before directing FPV strikes against russian troops on the Tendrivska Spit and along the Dnipro River **Russia Adapts T-90M for Drone Warfare as Frontline Feedback Shapes New Protection Package:** > **[Russia Adapts T-90M for Drone Warfare as Frontline Feedback Shapes New...](https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2026/russia-adapts-t-90m-for-drone-warfare-as-frontline-feedback-shapes-new-protection-package)** > > Russia has upgraded the T-90M tank with enhanced electronic warfare and anti-drone protection based on battlefield lessons from Ukraine. **Ukraine Reveals Unique Deep-Strike Solution: A Rocket Launched From Balloons:** > **[Ukraine Reveals Unique Deep-Strike Solution: A Rocket Launched From Balloons](https://nextgendefense.com/ukraine-deep-strike-rocket-balloons/)** > > DART rocket drops from stratospheric balloons at 18 kilometers to deliver warheads against deep targets with reduced detection risk. **Russian high schools now require 17 hours of basic military training classes for 6th to 11th grade:** > **[Russian high schools now require 17 hours basic military training for 6th to...](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-high-school-basic-military-training-class-national-defense-ukraine-2026-6)** > > Russia is doubling the amount of military training time in high schools, with new lessons on drones and field exercises. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2026, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8151 "2026-06-30T08:16:27Z")
🎶Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men Uncle Putin needs your help again He’s got himself in a terrible jam Way down yonder in Crimea-land So put down your books, pick up a gun Gonna have a whole lot of fun And it’s 1, 2, 3 What are we fighting for? Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn Next stop is Vietnam And it’s 5, 6, 7 Open up the pearly gates Ah, ain’t no time to wonder why Whoopee! We’re all gonna die Well come on mothers throughout the land Pack your boys off to Crimea-land Come on fathers don’t hesitate Send them off before it’s too late Be the first one on your block To have your boy come home in a box 🎶 ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8152 "2026-07-03T23:22:20Z")
> **[“The Most Alarming Part Is That the Crisis Is Only Beginning”: Analyst on...](https://united24media.com/world/the-most-alarming-part-is-that-the-crisis-is-only-beginning-analyst-on-russias-fuel-shortage-20396)** > > Russia faces a historic fuel crisis as drone strikes left one-third of refining capacity idle and cut June output by 25%. Shortages have hit over 40 regions. > approximately one-third of the total oil refining capacity in the country is currently idle following at least 50 drone strikes against Russian oil infrastructure facilities since March. > “The most alarming point is that the crisis is only beginning,” notes Finam strategist Yaroslav Kabakov. “The peak of seasonal demand traditionally falls in August–September, while signs of shortage and price acceleration appeared already in June.” > > The timing of the infrastructure disruptions coincides with critical agricultural demands. Chris Weafer, head of the consulting firm Macro-Advisory, noted that approximately one-third of refining capacity is offline. “This is happening at a critical time for the Russian economy, when the harvest season begins,” he emphasized. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2026, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8153 "2026-07-10T18:24:14Z")
I’m not sure why they said political agreement instead of just an agreement. I guess this a firm US policy change. Guardian feed > [@](#): > > - **Ukraine and the US have reached a political agreement on licences for production ⁠of PAC-3 Patriot interceptors** , president Volodymyr ⁠Zelenskyy said on Thursday, adding ​that key supplies of the missiles were to arrive in the next few days. The Patriot is a US-made air defence system. Its PAC-3 interceptor is one of the few western weapons ⁠capable of shooting down the ballistic missiles Russia has increasingly fired at Ukrainian cities. Zelenskyy, speaking to reporters after returning from a Nato summit and talks withDonald Trump in Turkey, also said that talks were proceeding with the US on ⁠a “drone deal” or joint drone production. > > - **Discussions will proceed with Ukraine’s European allies on developing a separate anti-missile system** , ⁠Zelenskyy said on Thursday, with a meeting planned for France in the near future. “It’s for ballistic targets, similar to ​Patriot, but more, I would say, mass-produced and a cheaper system,” he said. > > - **A top Ukrainian official has cautioned that it could take a year or more for the country to produce Patriot interceptor missiles**. The Kremlin said the licence deal reflected what it called Washington’s “ambivalence” but noted it appreciated Trump’s efforts to help broker a peace deal to end the war, which Russia launched over four years ago. > **[Experts say Trump's plan to license Patriot missiles for Ukraine could take...](https://abcnews.com/Politics/experts-trumps-plan-license-patriot-missiles-ukraine-years/story?id=134623702)** > > "These things aren't like flipping on a light switch," one expert told ABC News. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2026, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8154 "2026-07-11T04:47:48Z")
Ukraine has forced closure today of the Kerch Strait connecting the Sea of Azov to the Black Sea. Slava Ukraini! _Russia’s border guards notified shipping companies that all requests for passage through the Kerch Strait, which connects the Sea ‌of Azov and the Black Sea, would not be accepted from 6:10 p.m. local time on July 10._ ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2026, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8155 "2026-07-12T00:13:26Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m not sure why they said political agreement instead of just an agreement. I guess this a firm US policy change. Given Ukraine’s ability to adapt technology on the fly this will be a benefit to the US as well as Ukraine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=400) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=402)