# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 403
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2026, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8176 "2026-07-18T22:12:07Z")
I imagine that was Nicholas II’s attitude as well. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2026, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8177 "2026-07-18T22:38:36Z")
But his ability to keep the lid on protestors depends on what the average Russian thinks. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2026, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8178 "2026-07-19T01:17:25Z")
Wrong thread, this is the #breaking-news thread, try the one in #Politics & Elections . **Moderating:** > [@Russia invades Ukraine -- The regional situation](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1836): > > This could be “Pravda Means Truth” by Robert A. Heinlein. I don’t have a copy of it handy but the Google AI summary sounds like it’s close to what you are thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2026, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8179 "2026-07-21T11:45:49Z")
Meanwhile, there is turbulence in Ukraine’s military leadership: > **[Ukraine’s army chief expected to lose job after week of protests](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/20/ukraine-army-chief-oleksandr-syrskyi-expected-lose-job-week-protests)** > > Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s chief of staff hints government may be about to sack Oleksandr Syrskyi > **[Dismissal of Ukraine’s defence minister highlights wider issues for Zelenskyy](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/17/dismissal-ukraine-defence-minister-mykhailo-fedorov-volodomyr-zelenskyy)** > > Mykhailo Fedorov, celebrated by many for innovative, tech-driven approach, was sidelined for military old guard ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2026, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8180 "2026-07-22T09:57:28Z")
As you were. Or not > **[Ukraine war briefing: Mykhailo Drapatyi takes over as Kyiv’s top commander](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/22/ukraine-war-briefing-mykhailo-drapatyi-takes-over-as-kyivs-top-commander?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > Zelenskyy hopes to end debacle over sacking of defence minister Mykhailo Fedorov; Kremlin’s sympathies for Wildberries. What we know on day 1,610 ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8181 "2026-07-25T20:15:57Z")
Stop hitting yourself: > **[Ukraine May Have Manipulated Russian Air Defenses Into Downing Their Own...](https://united24media.com/world/ukraine-may-have-manipulated-russian-air-defenses-into-downing-their-own-su-57-near-moscow-21018)** > > A Su-57 crashed near Moscow on July 23. Reports link the loss to Russian friendly fire following a cyber operation. TL:DR version: Ukrainian hackers were able to get Russian air defenses to shoot down a fancy 5th-generation Su-57 fighter jet. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8182 "2026-07-25T21:14:25Z")
Ukraine hits Black Sea fleet, then the Sea of Azov, and now the Caspian Sea 😯 “The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) confirmed strikes on a Russian Navy Project 12418 Molniya missile boat, sanctioned vessels – the Port Olya 2 cargo ship and the Begey dry cargo ship, an oil platform at the Filanovsky field in the Caspian Sea, a 92N6E Grave Stone radar station, a Tor-M2 surface-to-air missile system, a Pole-21 electronic warfare system, and two FPV drone warehouses in Rostov-on-Don, Russia.” > **[SBU confirms strikes on Russian missile boat, 2 cargo vessels, radar, SAM,...](https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/1188061.html)** > > The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) confirmed strikes on a Russian Navy Project 12418 Molniya missile boat, sanctioned vessels – the Port Olya 2 cargo ship and the Begey dry cargo ship, an oil platform at the Filanovsky field in the Caspian Sea, a... ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8183 "2026-07-26T07:44:58Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > TL:DR version: Ukrainian hackers were able to get Russian air defenses to shoot down a fancy 5th-generation Su-57 fighter jet. May have. Or it might be just as convenient for the Ukrainians if the Russians are led to turn their systems upside down trying to eliminate any such possibility . ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8184 "2026-07-26T09:08:20Z")
> **[Ukraine Just Pulled Off a Strategic Master Stroke Deep Inside Russian...](https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/ukraine-just-pulled-off-a-strategic-master-stroke-deep-inside-russian-territory-and-in-moscow-putin-has-a-problem/)** > > Eight Wildberries warehouses hit in a week — Russian sellers count their losses, and a CEPA analyst says Ukraine has shown it has cards. Many Russians still seem to think their government has done nothing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8185 "2026-07-26T10:36:36Z")
Denial is not just a river in Egypt. We have our share. ---
**Author:** ![Mops](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mops/32/16494_2.png) [@Mops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mops)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8186 "2026-07-26T21:13:15Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > > [@DWMarch](#): > > > > TL:DR version: Ukrainian hackers were able to get Russian air defenses to shoot down a fancy 5th-generation Su-57 fighter jet. > > May have. > > Or it might be just as convenient for the Ukrainians if the Russians are led to turn their systems upside down trying to eliminate any such possibility > . It would probably be best to assume all published Ukrainian statements about their sources and methods to be fabrications to amuse the enemy. They’d be mad to publish the truth about these. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8187 "2026-07-26T21:59:06Z")
True, the propaganda play here is obvious: Get Russia to mistrust their air defenses enough, and they might even disable their own defenses. Still, I think it’s safe to say that that Su-57 was downed somehow, and there’s a good chance that Ukraine somehow caused it to happen. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2026, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8188 "2026-07-28T14:31:59Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Still, I think it’s safe to say that that Su-57 was downed somehow IMO, there’s a real chance it was downed in the Sukhoi factory several years ago and just now noticed. (I’m skeptical of QC in Russian state factories.) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2026, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8189 "2026-07-29T23:09:21Z")
So you’re upset that the country YOUR country attacked is fighting back and it’s affecting you? Empathy meter is on zero only because there’s a little post keeping the needle from moving past zero. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8190 "2026-07-30T02:43:56Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > So you’re upset that the country YOUR country attacked is fighting back and it’s affecting you? Are you referring to Russia as “you”? I am a bit confused. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8191 "2026-07-30T06:16:07Z")
“Your country” would be Russia. If Russians are upset that Ukraine is successfully fighting back then I have no sympathy for them. They could be basking in the light of free enterprise. There’s no reason why Russia can’t focus on freedom and productivity for their people instead of declaring war on their neighbors. They lost 13% of their population in WWII and that was with Allied help. it’s as if it never happened. Now the new Allied forces are aligned against them for the same reason. To stop the takeover of a nation. They’ve learned nothing. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8192 "2026-07-30T18:37:15Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > “Your country” would be Russia. If Russians are upset that Ukraine is successfully fighting back then I have no sympathy for them Thanks and I agree. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2026, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8193 "2026-07-30T19:14:08Z")
Reminder, this is the #breaking-news one, please stop with the conjecture, opinions and Thank you in this one. **Moderating:** ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2026, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8194 "2026-08-03T13:58:44Z")
Ukraine delivers another blow to Russia, right in the Wildberries: > **[Ukraine hits Wildberries warehouse in latest infrastructure strike away from...](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c74y9d19jd7t)** > > Since mid-July, Ukraine has carried out a series of attacks on Wildberries sites, saying they are used to help supply Russia's military. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2026, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/8195 "2026-08-04T02:33:16Z")
I am reminded of a comment by Churchill in a speech after [Adlertag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adlertag) had failed, > Hitler said he was going to wring England’s neck like a chicken. > > Some chicken. Some neck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=402) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=404)