# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1044 "2022-12-08T03:25:47Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I’ve cancelled my Russian mail-order bride. Hey, you never know, she might be one of the decent ones. She might be trying to get out of Vladland because she hates the guy. Or, she might be a ФСБ operative. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1045 "2022-12-08T15:30:00Z")
I’m not hearing any downsides…. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1046 "2022-12-08T20:44:45Z")
Well, if she is an operative, you can bet she knows 47 ways to kill you without leaving a mark. (Given what we have seen of Russian competence, though, that knowledge might well not translate it to actually being able to do it.) ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1047 "2022-12-08T20:46:46Z")
Russia is done seizing Ukrainian territory? What kind of BS is that? So I guess recapturing Russian territories like the four oblasts it claimed (illegally) to annex a couple months ago is what the fighting is all about? Puh lease! [Kremlin Says Russia Is Done Taking Territory From Ukraine (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kremlin-says-russia-is-done-taking-territory-from-ukraine/ar-AA153cZK?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=933f9dd11e9441548e7d0100e5773518) ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1048 "2022-12-08T20:52:31Z")
You misunderstand. Russia has always been done taking territory from Ukraine, because there is no Ukraine. There is only Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1049 "2022-12-08T20:54:49Z")
Seriously, who is that announcement targeted for? The Russian domestic audience? The international audience? Ukraine? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1050 "2022-12-08T21:03:44Z")
The Russian people, I think: > [@](#): > > “But there is nevertheless a lot of work ahead to liberate the territories; in a number of new regions of the Russian Federation there are occupied territories that have to be liberated,” Peskov said. > > Peskov said the area specifically needing liberation was Donetsk, which he said was reoccupied by Ukrainian troops after it was annexed. Russia has declared large parts of Ukraine to be part of Russia. However, Ukraine is still occupying those parts of Russian. Kicking Ukrainian military out of those parts of occupied Russia is not taking territory from Ukraine. For further elaboration on the methodology of this media release, please review _1984_. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1051 "2022-12-08T23:57:38Z")
> **[Putin has a plan to flee to South America if he loses the war in Ukraine,...](https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-has-plan-in-case-needs-flee-country-former-aide-2022-12)** > > Russian President Vladimir Putin first considered a plan to evacuate to China — but later rejected the idea, a former aide said. Apparently Putin has been making contingency plans for a flight to South America, in the event that the war goes too badly for him. Which I presume means “bad for him, personally”, as opposed to the “bad for Russia” that it already is. I can only hope that these plans becoming public makes the scenarios that require them more likely. And if he does flee, that’s probably even better than if he were to die, because the ambiguity of whether he’s still in charge or not would increase confusion and decrease effectiveness in Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1052 "2022-12-09T00:01:33Z")
This smells to high heaven, where in South America would he flee to?, If he came to Argentina our government would deliver him to his enemies so fast he wouldn’t even be able to eat a choripán here. May be Brazil, where they don’t have an extradition treaty? Doubtful. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1053 "2022-12-09T00:31:05Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > This smells to high heaven, where in South America would he flee to? Venezuela, at a guess. [Maduro has been pretty consistently pro-Russian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Venezuela_relations). ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1054 "2022-12-09T00:33:42Z")
I guess that would be it, but if Putin’s out of power in Russia, Maduro’s policy would not favour him but whoever has power in Russia. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1055 "2022-12-09T02:01:56Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I’m reminded of a Bob Stevens cartoon. An American pilot is in his P-47 Thunderbolt, sitting smugly while a Messerschmitt Me-109 shoots away at him; it’s bullets bouncing harmlessly off of the T-bolt. The Me 109 had cannons also. The P47 was _tough_, but not that tough. (they are also huge, I walked around once… geez) Now this did happen to a Hs 129 pilot attacked by a Russian Hurricane with the 12X .303. He said he thought it was hail at first… > [@Gyrate](#): > > Boycotting their products, sure, but boycotting their books and music is just silly. I concur. We also need to ban travel to & fro. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I’m boycotting Russian porn. “Say it ain’t so!” 😱 > [@Cardigan](#): > > Russia is done seizing Ukrainian territory? Well, they _are_… it just ain’t their choice. The Pizdobol perdoon stary in the Kremlin is delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1056 "2022-12-09T02:16:24Z")
The article says that the plans were for “Argentina or Venezuela”. And I imagine that he’s not planning on a welcome based on being the ruler of Russia; he’s planning on a welcome based on being personally rich, and possibly on him personally having compromat on some of the right people. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1057 "2022-12-09T02:17:19Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The Me 109 had cannons also. The P47 was _tough_, but not that tough. It was a cartoon. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1058 "2022-12-09T02:33:16Z")
I don’t know about Venezuela, but Argentina? Forget it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1059 "2022-12-09T15:44:45Z")
More problems for Putin as troops border on mutiny. > **[Russian troops discuss mass exodus from frontline in leaked calls as Putin...](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-discuss-mass-exodus-from-frontline-in-leaked-calls-as-putin-faces-mutiny/ar-AA1555ob?cvid=19dd72169e794e779a4e9d4b24cf49e6)** > > Russians are moving to discuss a mass desertion of Vladimir Putin's military force, according to an intercepted call from the frontline, as the Kremlin leader struggles to maintain a grip on his own troops. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1060 "2022-12-09T15:48:18Z")
Is that “border on mutiny” or “mutiny on the border”? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1061 "2022-12-09T15:52:09Z")
Mutiny on the Boundary ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1062 "2022-12-09T16:31:22Z")
“What if they gave a war and nobody came?” ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1063 "2022-12-09T20:45:41Z")
> [@](#): > > more problems for Putin as troops border on mutiny. [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-discuss-mass-exodus-from-frontline-in-leaked-calls-as-putin-faces-mutiny/ar-AA1555ob?cvid=19dd72169e794e779a4e9d4b24cf49e6) I’m very skeptical of this kind of reporting. First of all, the headline on the MSN page is simply false–the claim of “mass desertion” is NOT supported by the information in the article. The article quotes one phone conversation by one soldier, who says “people are leaving”–with no specifics, no numbers, no description of how they are leaving, what they are wearing, what they are carrying, or how they intend to walk 400 miles back home to Moscow . And I am very,very suspicious of the whole meme of “intercepted phone calls”. This is a common propaganda technique used by the Ukrainians ever since the war started. I use a Yahoo email, and so I read the front page of Yahoo news every day, which feeds me several sources from Ukraine, all of which show only good news for Ukraine, and never say anything about people suffering. (for example, in the early days of the war, they described the heroic fighters of Mauripol bravely evacuating, but never mentioned that the entire city was destroyed.) One of the common items that pops up several times a week is the anonymous “intercepted phone call”, from a Russian soldier calling his mother, and complaining .It’s always to his mother, never his father or to friends, and always describes the bad conditions and bad morale of his unit. The articles always quote the poor soldier, but never , ever provide any details about which unit he is in, or where his mother lives, etc. or what specifically he is complaining about. He mentions poor food, lack of supplies, lack of sleep, etc…but never anything specific which you would actually say to your mother: "You know my friend Ivgeny from high school?–he got killed today " or “they only gave us one can of beans to eat, boy I’d love some of your meat loaf” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=54)