# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1354 "2022-12-24T05:05:29Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Who is Russia so paranoid about? Russia does have some basis for paranoia, having been invaded from Europe catastrophically several times. But IMO Putin has weaponised that trait as an excuse for Moldova, Crimea, and now this invasion. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1355 "2022-12-24T05:22:56Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > Russia does have some basis for paranoia, having been invaded from Europe catastrophically several times. But that’s bullshit. Every country in Europe has been invaded several times in history. At some point you have to stop letting people use this as an excuse for just continuing to be assholes. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1356 "2022-12-24T05:25:23Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > Russia does have some basis for paranoia, having been invaded from Europe catastrophically several times. The only time Russia was actually (sorta) conquered though, the invaders came from the east. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1357 "2022-12-24T14:10:12Z")
Or from within. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1358 "2022-12-24T19:47:54Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Who is Russia so paranoid about? > > NATO has never shown any interest in taking Russian territory. Ukraine’s possible membership would primarily been defensive. This is just a smokescreen by Putin. All this BS about Ukraine being Nazi, and Putin afraid of NATO were Big Lies. Look, the West forgot the lessons of Hitler and WW2, and let a Nazi Dictator take a big chunk of a nation - in WW2 it was Czechoslovakia, but in 2014 it was Crimea. This gave Putin the idea he could keep carving bits, re-establishing the old Russian Empire. So now the world is involved in another “world war”, but on a different scale. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1359 "2022-12-24T20:04:15Z")
Yet another mysterious death of a prominent Russian has occurred. This time it’s the head of a shipyard that specializes in non-nuclear submarines. > **[Head of major Russian shipyard dies suddenly, no cause given](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/head-major-russian-shipyard-dies-suddenly-no-cause-given-2022-12-24/)** > > A major Russian shipyard that specialises in building non-nuclear submarines said its general director had died suddenly on Saturday after 11 years in the job, but gave no details. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1360 "2022-12-24T23:51:55Z")
Is he the one who was smoking on their Aircraft Carrier? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1361 "2022-12-26T02:04:53Z")
A little present from Ukraine. > **[Russia says it shot down Ukrainian drone near bomber air base, three killed](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/blasts-reported-russias-engels-air-base-online-media-2022-12-26/)** > > Russia said on Monday it had shot down a Ukrainian drone close to one of its air bases for long-range bombers deep inside its own territory and that three Russian air force personnel had been killed in the incident. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1362 "2022-12-26T17:56:17Z")
dum dum dum another one rides the bus … > ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1363 "2022-12-26T17:57:20Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > another one rides the bus … Hey! He’s gonna fall by you! ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1364 "2022-12-26T18:02:34Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > [https://twitter.com/olex\_scherba/status/1607427421598277634](https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1607427421598277634) How many falling-out-the-window deaths are we up to now? I mean, it’s a freaking meme at this point but, no, just your routine falling-out-the-window death, I guess. Happens all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1365 "2022-12-26T18:21:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Russian consul general in Calcutta stated the police see nothing suspicious about Antov’s demise. Well, yeah. Falling out a window is exactly what we expect now from Russian oligarchs. One surviving the next few years, now, THAT would be suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1366 "2022-12-26T18:33:06Z")
So Is that how Putin is going to die? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1367 "2022-12-26T18:35:08Z")
I guess the supplies of polonium are running low, what with sanctions and all. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1368 "2022-12-26T18:50:13Z")
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/europe/russia-engels-airbase-ukrainian-drone-shot-intl-hnk/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/europe/russia-engels-airbase-ukrainian-drone-shot-intl-hnk/index.html) > CNN has been unable to independently verify Russian reports the drone was deliberately shot down and did not reach its intended target. So… The Russians are lying and the drone actually did hit its target as planned; or, they shot it down and then it fell on them. 😛 (It would be _really_ funny if the shot-down drone crashed on an oligarch. At least, it would be different from falling out of a window.) ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1369 "2022-12-26T19:05:30Z")
It would be better if the drone caught the oligarch while falling from a window and then got shot down and crashed into its target, which turned out to be a burning car full of killer bees. Did I miss anything? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1370 "2022-12-26T20:12:02Z")
… then burned down, fell over and sank into the swamp. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1371 "2022-12-26T20:42:45Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Well, yeah. Falling out a window is exactly what we expect now from Russian oligarchs. One surviving the next few years, now, THAT would be suspicious. Pretty soon it will be just another “natural causes”. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1372 "2022-12-26T20:56:11Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I guess the supplies of polonium are running low, what with sanctions and all. I initially LOLed, then felt compelled to get all pedantic and check because I am that way. Apparently most of it is produced in Russia: > Only about 100 grams are produced each year, practically all of it in Russia, making polonium exceedingly rare.[[54]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium#cite_note-54)[[55]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium#cite_note-55) I don’t think the source was listed [whenever I last bought some.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-shipment-of-polonium-210-has-arrived/456850) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1373 "2022-12-26T21:09:52Z")
That’s exactly why polonium was used, for those high-profile assassinations: They wanted to send a message, to leave absolutely no doubt as to who was behind them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=69)