# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1414 "2022-12-27T16:32:09Z")
Could be as simple as Putin wouldn’t hesitate to use their family and friends as leverage. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1415 "2022-12-27T16:33:21Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > leaving behind dozens of dead bodies and supplies of artillery to restock Ukraine’s weapons caches. [Man, that’s really old school!](https://www.the-trench.org/catapulting-cadavers) ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1416 "2022-12-27T16:37:14Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Because they can easily train in neighboring NATO countries on the same equipment? At this point the Russians are fighting NATO technology without NATO having to put up manpower, and are looking pretty bad. Ukraine is acting as the tip of our spear without us having to supply boots on the ground, I think President Zelensky made that clear last night. Good point. According to this article, Patriot training normally takes a year and is being accelerated to 6 months for Ukraine. That’s a long time to have boots on the ground and a recipe for getting directly pulled into the conflict. > **[A top Ukraine official hopes for a peace summit with Russia by the end of...](https://www.npr.org/2022/12/26/1145539638/ukraine-russia-peace-summit-foreign-minister)** > > Ukraine's foreign minister told the AP that his government is aiming to have a summit, preferably at the United Nations with Secretary-General António Guterres as a possible mediator. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1417 "2022-12-27T18:14:20Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > My guess is that men of wealth, in the hundreds of millions to billions, could afford to hire their own security. In-country, Putin controls the security the oligarchs are allowed to hire. He is very aware of the need to block any power center from accumulating outside his influence. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1418 "2022-12-27T18:49:13Z")
A video showing Russian cruelty to their own soldiers. Here is a 2-minute video clip that has been posted on a couple of Reddit forums. It appears to be legit. The video shows a Russian officer, severely beating a group of soldiers. He is backed by a couple of his own staff–professional soldiers, who point their rifles and threaten to kill 10 other Russian soldiers (draftees, apparently from a different platoon and newly arrived at the front lines). The officer severely beats all 10 soldiers with an iron bar. The reason: they evacuated some wounded buddies back to the base, (and thus abandoned their position on the front lines). I’m posting the link because I think it’s relevant to this thread, although I can’t prove its legitimacy, and I don’t know when or where it was filmed. But it shows an apparently true glimpse of how the Russian army functions. It gives a very graphic, and gut-punch significance to a phrase which we westerners (well, me at least) read casually, without fully understanding the reason for it: “low morale among Russian soldiers” > **[r/UkraineWarVideoReport - \[NSFW\] Chechens disciplining bunch of mobiks who didnt...](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/zv4z1k/chechens_disciplining_bunch_of_mobiks_who_didnt/)** > > 6,460 votes and 1,075 comments so far on Reddit the same video is posted on another reddit forum, where the comments seem to provide more context and information.[https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/zvjx1j/commander\_beats\_russian\_mobilized\_soldiers\_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/zvjx1j/commander_beats_russian_mobilized_soldiers_for/) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1419 "2022-12-27T19:31:13Z")
Officers like that can suffer unfortunate accidents during battle. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1420 "2022-12-27T19:32:12Z")
And IMO should. Someone like that has no business having any authority. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1421 "2022-12-27T19:34:13Z")
I did like the remark about “grenade enema”. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1422 "2022-12-27T19:35:27Z")
Recent footage of the latest column of Russian volunteers advancing towards Bakhmut [Where There’s a Whip There’s a Way! - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoAfb3f04mo) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1423 "2022-12-27T19:37:59Z")
You never want to make the conditions of your front line troops less pleasant than the conditions in the enemy’s POW camps. Especially not when your troops are there less-than-voluntarily to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1424 "2022-12-27T19:43:26Z")
One of the smart things Zelensky did back in September was publicly promise humane treatment to Russian POW’s “Ukraine guarantees every Russian soldier who surrenders three things. First, you will be treated in a civilized manner, in accordance with all conventions. Second, no one will know the circumstances of your surrender, no one in Russia will know that your surrender was voluntary. And third, if you are afraid to return to Russia and do not want an exchange, we will find a way to ensure this as well,” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1425 "2022-12-27T19:56:37Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Recent footage of the latest column of Russian volunteers advancing towards Bakhmut Here’s another video of a column of Russian soldiers advancing on Bakhmut. Spoilered for death in a big explosion - nothing gory. [https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1603529361302425600](https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1603529361302425600) The hit was accomplished using the Ukraine-built Stugna missile system, which is usually seen in an anti-tank role, destroying Russian tanks and AFVs, but it can also fire high-explosive missiles. Unusually, the language on the weapon system’s screen is in English. It’s more usually seen in Arabic script, as the missile systems were intended to be export models for a Middle Eastern country, but were kept by Ukraine following the invasion. They have been a great success, with many videos showcasing their work. > **[Skif (anti-tank guided missile)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skif_(anti-tank_guided_missile))** > > The Skif, also known as the Stugna-P or Stuhna-P, is a Ukrainian anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) system developed in the early 2010s by the Luch Design Bureau, a unit of UkrOboronProm. The initial guidance device PN-S (ПН-С) of the Skif was developed and manufactured by Belarusian design bureau Peleng based in Minsk. > The Skif is designed to destroy modern armored targets with combined carried or monolithic armor, including explosive reactive armor (ERA). The Skif can attack both stationary and m... ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1426 "2022-12-27T20:06:38Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > The hit was accomplished using the Ukraine-built Stugna missile system That’s a pretty slick system. I’m used to reading/hearing about the Stuhna as an anti-armor weapon. First time I’ve seen it used as an anti-personnel weapon. FWIW Ukraine for many years was a major player in the weapons export business, so they’ve got a fairly robust indigenous arms industry. It’s rewarding to see them invent and adapt new weapons all the time for use against Russia. Quite resourceful. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1427 "2022-12-27T20:17:12Z")
The Russian situation is very bad. The soldiers would have to deal with the monster officer and his Wagoner thugs. The Marine Corp takes _no man left behind_ very seriously. It’s crucial for troop morale. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1428 "2022-12-27T22:01:37Z")
I had to look it up on a map. It’s a important step towards what’s left of Sievierodonetsk. > **[Ukraine says forces closer to recapturing key eastern city of Kreminna](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/27/ukraine-says-its-forces-are-close-to-recapturing-key-eastern-city-of-kreminna)** > > Luhansk city could be step towards launching offensives on Russian-held Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2022, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1429 "2022-12-27T23:14:13Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Officers like that can suffer unfortunate accidents during battle. … falling out of foxhole windows … ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1430 "2022-12-28T00:25:21Z")
From the Guardian article: > Also on Tuesday, Putin concluded his two-day “informal summit” in St Petersburg with the heads of the Commonwealth of Independent States, a Moscow-led group consisting of former Soviet states, by **gifting the eight leaders present gold rings.** It’s supposed to be nine rings, Vlad. No wonder things aren’t going well for the Russian military, if they get such obvious force-enhancers wrong. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1431 "2022-12-28T01:03:43Z")
I’d check the rings for polonium, novacek, ricin, or a small recording device. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1432 "2022-12-28T01:09:15Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > > by **gifting the eight leaders present gold rings.** > > It’s supposed to be nine rings, Vlad. No wonder things aren’t going well for the Russian military, if they get such obvious force-enhancers wrong. I’m guessing he kept the One Ring To Bind Them All for himself. And can we call these leaders The Nazgul now? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1433 "2022-12-28T01:19:10Z")
“Nine for mortal men, doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne” The One is probably the Super-bowl ring that he stole. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=72)