# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 75
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1494 "2023-01-03T04:36:18Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Hundreds dead doesn’t seem like much of a stretch. No no no! the other 337 soldiers are just off on a nice holiday! They’ll be back soon! Really! ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1495 "2023-01-03T05:14:03Z")
That’s about as likely to work as Russia’s attacks on Ukraine’s electrical infrastructure are. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1496 "2023-01-03T05:39:35Z")
If Ukraine says 107440 Russians have been killed, the number is likely closer to 35,000. 35,000, of course, is a truly colossal loss (and is accompanied by many times more wounded.) That would be FAR more dead than the USSR lost in Afghanistan. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1497 "2023-01-03T08:11:38Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > It can’t get any higher if they keep “accidentally” falling our of windows. How true. I wonder how many of them actually feared for their lives once the war started? A fair number of the amateur aerial artists didn’t seem to be in any public conflict with Putin that we know of. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > No no no! the other 337 soldiers are just off on a nice holiday! They’ll be back soon! Really! I’d heard that they were at a farm upstate, where they could run around with all the dogs that go there. > [@RickJay](#): > > If Ukraine says 107440 Russians have been killed, the number is likely closer to 35,000. It’s incredibly hard for most militaries to keep track of their own casualties, much less the enemies. One thing we do know from history is that enemy body counts are usually unreliable. It doesn’t even mean that Ukraine is purposely adding on extra numbers, just taking the higher estimate from every report. " OK, this report says 50-100 dead. That’s 100 in the dead count." Repeat this over time and you will have a really inflated number. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1498 "2023-01-03T09:07:30Z")
Would never happen, but I’m really wishing the USA would send in the cool Area 51 stuff, whatever it is…just so we can see it ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1499 "2023-01-03T10:41:42Z")
Has anyone mentioned the Die Hard video? The Ukrainian shadethrowing game continues to excel… > I love the shirt. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1500 "2023-01-03T13:26:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > IIRC, the Italian Air Force in WWII were excellent at aerobatics. Actual dogfighting… not so much. My dad, who was an RCAF C-47 pilot at the end of the European theatre, described exactly that to me - Italian fighter aircraft doing aerobatics around allied transport aircraft, without actually being a threat. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1501 "2023-01-03T14:41:50Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Would never happen, but I’m really wishing the USA would send in the cool Area 51 stuff, whatever it is…just so we can see it The whole point of keeping that stuff in Area 51 is so that we _don’t_ know what it looks like. There aren’t enough Neuralyzers to go around. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1502 "2023-01-03T16:15:16Z")
What an amazing and inspiring story. It worked because the Russian invasion forces didn’t plan for any extensive resistance. The Russians would bypass some cities that would require extensive resources to take. > **[How Sumy’s residents kept Russian forces out of their city](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/02/how-sumy-residents-kept-russian-forces-out-of-their-city)** > > Locals joined territorial defence forces when Russia invaded – and managed to hold the city despite being encircled > [@](#): > > After the first three to four days, the Russians stopped attempting to enter and set up checkpoints, encircling the city. The self-defence forces did the same. Serhiy and Ihor, along with others, started to slip out of the city to ambush columns. Unlike the Russians, they said they knew all the small lanes. > > “Our task was to destroy their fuel trucks, after a while they had no fuel left,” said Ihor. “What kept happening was the tank would run out of fuel and then they would ditch it. Sometimes getting into other vehicles or sometimes taking cars from civilians.” > > “Four of our group died after running into the enemy because there was very little experience there was no plan,” said Ihor of the ambushes. > > After their failure to use Sumy city as a throughway, the Russians started to go around the city and use the southern Sumy region towns of Trostianets and Okhtyrka, where the regular Ukrainian army was present. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1503 "2023-01-03T22:56:42Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Keep that helmet. just duct-tape that ugly hole up! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1504 "2023-01-03T23:50:04Z")
I think the F-117 was the last of the “Area 51 stuff”. By now, that location is way too publicized to be of any use other than as a distraction. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1505 "2023-01-04T03:00:52Z")
There’s always [Area 52](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonopah_Test_Range)… ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1506 "2023-01-04T03:17:10Z")
I’m sure there’s something in [Warehouse 13](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warehouse_13) … ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1507 "2023-01-04T03:25:07Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Would never happen, but I’m really wishing the USA would send in the cool Area 51 stuff, whatever it is…just so we can see it I mentioned giving them F-117’s. Just came across [this article](https://www.businessinsider.com/us-air-force-wants-help-maintaining-retired-f117-stealth-jets-2022-12) saying the Air Force wants to keep them around. I thought they were already mothballed. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1508 "2023-01-04T04:49:48Z")
Most Russians don’t want this war. The more hardship heaped on them the sooner Putin meets his fate. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1509 "2023-01-04T13:51:16Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I mentioned giving them F-117’s. Just came across [this article](https://www.businessinsider.com/us-air-force-wants-help-maintaining-retired-f117-stealth-jets-2022-12) saying the Air Force wants to keep them around. I thought they were already mothballed. If you go to “The War Zone” (part of The Drive) and search for F-117, there’s multiple articles about their ongoing use as aggressor jets and stealth targets in training exercises. > **[You searched for F-117 Nighthawk | The Drive](https://www.thedrive.com/search/F-117%20Nighthawk)** > > Car News, Reviews, and Culture ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1510 "2023-01-04T14:33:09Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Most Russians don’t want this war. The more hardship heaped on them the sooner Putin meets his fate. I wish this were true but it seems like among the peoples of the world Russians are more disposed towards fatalistic views than most…_it’s our lot in life to endure great suffering under the hands of oppressive and cruel leaders. We must trudge on with our heads bowed and persevere…_ The one time a Russian leader was overthrown in a popular uprising was when Tsar Nicholas II was dumb enough to leave large numbers of disaffected troops stationed near Moscow during WW1. Putin won’t make that mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1511 "2023-01-04T14:59:57Z")
Many (most?) Americans didn’t want the Vietnam War but a Vietnamese attack on american infrastructure would probably made the war last longer, not less. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1512 "2023-01-04T15:47:16Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > I wish this were true but it seems like among the peoples of the world Russians are more disposed towards fatalistic views than most…_it’s our lot in life to endure great suffering under the hands of oppressive and cruel leaders. We must trudge on with our heads bowed and persevere…_ I thought it was Ivanova that was Russian, not Zathras. _Yes. Yes. Zathras is used to being beast of burden to other people’s needs. Very sad life. Probably have… very sad death. But… at least there is Symmetry._ ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1513 "2023-01-04T15:49:05Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I thought it was Ivanova that was Russian, not Zathras. It is: > [@](#): > > _No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There’s always a boom tomorrow. What? Look, somebody’s got to have some damn perspective around here! Boom. Sooner or later. BOOM!_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=74) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=76)