# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1514 "2023-01-04T16:03:36Z")
Also, _“I know, I know. It’s a Russian thing. When we’re about to do something stupid, we like to catalog the full extent of our stupidity for future reference.”_ _“If we lived two hundred years, we’d still be human. We’d still make the same mistakes.”_ _“You’re a pessimist.”_ _“I am Russian, Doctor. We understand these things.”_ ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1515 "2023-01-04T16:09:28Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Most Russians don’t want this war. The more hardship heaped on them the sooner Putin meets his fate. It doesn’t typically work like that. Attacks on Russia are more likely to unite them against a common enemy. The 9/11 attack on the WTC didn’t make Americans think “huh, we should really get out of the Middle East.” It made us attack the shit out of them. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1516 "2023-01-04T16:14:44Z")
New Year’s TV in Russia is a bit surreal: > Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of the Wagner mercenary group that is notorious for executing prisoners with sledgehammers, visited Wagner troops and brought with him… a specially inscribed sledgehammer. > ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1517 "2023-01-04T16:24:13Z")
Eggsactly ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1518 "2023-01-04T17:13:40Z")
As far removed as could possibly be from the fascist fantasy wonderland going on in Moscow, this video shows the realities of life for Russian soldiers on the front line. [spoiler] Note: this is probably the most graphic video posted in the thread so far, and includes a close-up view of a dead Russian soldier, so viewer discretion is advised. Contents, in chronological order: - A wounded Russian soldier, who will likely die due to lack of medical aid, contemplating his life choices. - Various corpses of Russian soldiers. “200” refers to “Cargo 200”, the Russian military’s codeword for dead/corpses. “половина” means “half”, so “половина 200” means “half dead”. ~~removed bad link by What Exit?~~ ---
**Author:** ![FrenchDunadan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frenchdunadan/32/5449_2.png) [@FrenchDunadan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrenchDunadan)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1519 "2023-01-04T17:21:13Z")
French president announces that France will give AMX-10 RC to Ukraine. Those are armored wheeled vehicles, with a 105mm/L48 gun. They will be replaced by newer models in the French army. No indication on the number but we have 250 in service. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1520 "2023-01-04T17:34:58Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > As far removed as could possibly be from the fascist fantasy wonderland going on in Moscow, this video shows the realities of life for Russian soldiers on the front line. This link is dead ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1522 "2023-01-04T18:06:14Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > The 9/11 attack on the WTC didn’t make Americans think “huh, we should really get out of the Middle East.” It made us attack the shit out of them. There’s an important difference. The 9/11 attack targeted civilians and civilian infrastructure. So far, Ukraine’s attacks in Russia have been carefully targeted at their soldiers and military infrastructure. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1523 "2023-01-04T18:32:30Z")
Absolutely agree. I was responding to Magiver’s suggestion that Ukraine start attacking energy infrastructure, with the intent of making things unpleasant for Russian civilians. That wouldn’t work as planned. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1524 "2023-01-04T18:54:58Z")
Attacks on civilian infrastructure also go against the Geneva convention. If Ukraine wants to demoralize Russia without driving the international community away, they need to create as many casualties as possible within the Russian military, and destroy as much Russian military hardware/infrastructure as possible, while keeping Russian civilian collateral damage to a minimum. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1527 "2023-01-04T19:26:02Z")
> **Summary** > > > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > > > You might need to click the link a few times. > > Nope. It’s dead. > **Summary** > > Nope. > > I opened four new tabs, then 10 new tabs (plus the multiple clicks opening in new windows earlier), and they were all errors. > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/oGpICKl) > > Maybe you can find a different link? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1528 "2023-01-04T19:31:50Z")
You might need to click the link a few times. > **Summary** > > Works for me. > > Hold Ctl key, to open in new tab, and press link multiple times, if needed. > **Summary** > > Might need to click more than four times. > > It’s a Twitter mirror site that doesn’t require login to view age-restricted videos. Replace the nitter with twitter and it with com to view on Twitter, but will require log in. The site is also useful for translating whole pages of tweets in one go. Since around the time Elon Musk came to own Twitter, the site doesn’t work so well. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1529 "2023-01-04T19:38:41Z")
What the Hell guys? Seriously? Drop this silliness now. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1530 "2023-01-04T20:27:40Z")
Russian ultranationalist Igor Girkin says that, on the battlefield, the Russian Federation is in complete “Zugswang” - a chess/gaming term denoting when any move a player makes will worsen their position. He also says that “the combat effectiveness and morale of the army [is] strongly reminiscent of that before the July offensive of Kerensky in 1917”. This is a reference to the last Russian offensive in World War I, with the unpopularity of that war contributing to the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in October of that year. > > **[Zugzwang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugzwang)** > > Zugzwang (German for "compulsion to move", pronounced \[ˈtsuːktsvaŋ\]) is a situation found in chess and other turn-based games wherein one player is put at a disadvantage because of their obligation to make a move; a player is said to be "in zugzwang" when any legal move will worsen their position. > Although the term is used less precisely in games such as chess, it is used specifically in combinatorial game theory to denote a move that directly changes the outcome of the game from a win to a loss... ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1531 "2023-01-04T20:41:37Z")
Zugzwang may be true for the Russian army. The drone attacks are relatively cheap and effective. It costs Russia almost nothing to continue them for several years. Unless enough pressure is put on Iran’s supply chain to stop production. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1532 "2023-01-04T20:55:27Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The drone attacks are relatively cheap and effective. It costs Russia almost nothing to continue them for several years. All the while, the Russian soldiers will be suffering from defensive zugswang, as they sit in their muddy frozen trenches along hundreds of miles of front line, with Ukrainian artillery raining shells and drones dropping grenades on them. In military terms, they are, while in defensive mode, being daily attrited. On the offense, they get attrited even harder. With a July 1917 level of low morale, will there eventually come a breaking point? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1533 "2023-01-04T20:56:09Z")
Strelkov best be staying away from any fenestras. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1534 "2023-01-05T01:41:16Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > New Year’s TV in Russia is a bit surreal: I notice that the military guys didn’t seem to be as enthusiastic as the rest of the audience. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1535 "2023-01-05T02:48:59Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Putin won’t make that mistake. Putin is the epitome of someone making mistakes. Somewhere in Russia is a bunker room and a pistol with his name on it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1536 "2023-01-05T03:04:29Z")
The New Years pronouncement that Russia is enlarging made me laugh out loud. The only thing Russia is enlarging is the hole they’re digging. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=75) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=77)