# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 87
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1737 "2023-01-18T13:57:12Z")
Yeah, it landed on a kindergarten or something of the sort. Despite the location being in a war zone I’m guessing it’s just pure accident in this case. They still happen in war zones. It’s another tragic loss for Ukraine regardless. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1738 "2023-01-18T15:18:42Z")
Kyiv is pretty far from the front for conventional anti-aircraft activity. Could be a tragically run-of-the-mill mishap. Could theoretically be sabotage. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1739 "2023-01-18T15:54:25Z")
Maintenance falls behind in a war. A lot of skilled people have fled the country. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1740 "2023-01-18T16:28:04Z")
Reports are that the weather was foggy/hazy at the time, that is, with reduced visibility. Due to air raid warnings hazards lights on buildings may have been turned off. Maybe inoperable due to power interruption? Maintenance is certainly less than ideal in a war zone. So mechanical failure could be a factor. Pilot error is always on the table. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1741 "2023-01-18T16:56:46Z")
Russian foreign minister Lavrov compares international support for Ukraine against Russian invasion to the Holocaust: > ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1742 "2023-01-18T16:59:07Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Russian foreign minister Lavrov compares international support for Ukraine against Russian invasion to the Holocaust: > > [https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1615663991447068672](https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1615663991447068672) Who was he delivering this speech to? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1743 "2023-01-18T17:05:47Z")
“At his annual press conference”, according to a news report. In the background, it says Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. So, presumably, he’s speaking to Russian “journalists”. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1744 "2023-01-18T17:08:09Z")
We ARE conducting a proxy war against Russia. We’re also doing the right thing by doing so. Maybe they shouldn’t have started a war for us to proxy our way into. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1745 "2023-01-18T17:16:56Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > We ARE conducting a proxy war against Russia. Yeah, but that’s not comparable with the Holocaust. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1746 "2023-01-18T17:25:34Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > We ARE conducting a proxy war against Russia. We are not, however, trying to murder all the Russians. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1747 "2023-01-18T17:30:52Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Russian foreign minister Lavrov compares international support for Ukraine against Russian invasion to the Holocaust: It just flabbergasts me that Lavrov can say this crap with a straight face, and that the Russians apparently believe it (or at least pretend to). Of all the countries directly and indirectly involved in this war, only one has expressed the desire to destroy a nation and its people. And it ain’t Ukraine, or the US, or any members of NATO or the EU. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1748 "2023-01-18T17:41:38Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > It just flabbergasts me that Lavrov can say this crap with a straight face, and that the Russians apparently believe it (or at least pretend to). Same as it always was. I just finished reading “The Rise and Fall of the third Reich”, and that was Hitler’s big shtick. _Everyone else_ in the world had it in for the Germans, Germans in other countries were being abused and killed, and it was all part of a plan to keep Germany down forever, yadda yadda yadda, and he kept that up right until the end. And then, as now, a whole lot of people bought it. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1749 "2023-01-18T17:43:01Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > > > Russian foreign minister Lavrov compares international support for Ukraine against Russian invasion to the Holocaust: > > > > [https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1615663991447068672](https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1615663991447068672) > > Who was he delivering this speech to? Presumably the domestic listeners/viewers. Oh, those poor, oppressed Russians! [/sarcasm] ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1750 "2023-01-18T17:44:51Z")
Seems to me the best “final solution” to the “Russia question” is for Russia to quit being such dickheads all the time. But maybe it’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1751 "2023-01-18T17:47:45Z")
Look, the Russians have a really long history of being oppressed. Of course, mainly by their own leaders, but still. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1752 "2023-01-18T17:52:25Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Yeah, but that’s not comparable with the Holocaust. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > We are not, however, trying to murder all the Russians. I thought that went without saying. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1753 "2023-01-18T17:59:34Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > It just flabbergasts me that Lavrov can say this crap with a straight face, He knows that if he doesn’t, there’s a window somewhere with his name on it. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1754 "2023-01-18T18:19:21Z")
I do wonder whether he can say it with a straight face because he actually, deep down believes it. If he were 100% sure that his answer would never get out, would he be able to acknowledge the truth, or is he actually a true believer? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1755 "2023-01-18T19:41:39Z")
Ukraine has Friends in high places. What does it mean the two men are in opposition? Are they now enemies? > **[Bulgaria secretly supplied Ukraine fuel and ammunition in first months of war](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/18/bulgaria-secretly-supplied-ukraine-fuel-ammunition-first-months-war-russia)** > > Former PM tells of crucial operation, which was launched covertly due to pro-Russia sympathies in political class > [@](#): > > The former Bulgarian prime minister Kiril Petkov and finance minister Assen Vassilev said their country provided 30% of the Soviet-calibre ammunition Ukraine’s army needed during a crucial three-month period last spring, and at times 40% of the diesel. > > The men, who are now in opposition, have described along with the Ukrainian foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, the remarkable operation mounted by the small Balkan state, which officially was refusing all requests to arm Ukraine, [in interviews with Die Welt](https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/plus243262783/Bulgarien-Das-Land-das-heimlich-die-Ukraine-rettete.html). ---
**Author:** ![FrenchDunadan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frenchdunadan/32/5449_2.png) [@FrenchDunadan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrenchDunadan)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1756 "2023-01-18T19:51:59Z")
They are no longer in power. They are in opposition = their party doesn’t rule. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=86) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=88)