# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1757 "2023-01-18T19:57:31Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1758 "2023-01-18T20:25:11Z")
It’s reported that Sweden will tomorrow announce that it will be supplying Ukraine with Archer self-propelled howitzers. Here’s a video of an Archer. It can arrive at a location, fire off three rounds and depart before the first round has even hit the ground, making it an ideal shoot and scooter for evading enemy counterbattery fire. > It also has a cool-looking remotely-controlled weapons station on the roof: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Kongsberg_Protector_RWS_on_M1126.jpg/440px-Kongsberg_Protector_RWS_on_M1126.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Kongsberg_Protector_RWS_on_M1126.jpg/440px-Kongsberg_Protector_RWS_on_M1126.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1759 "2023-01-18T20:41:34Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > It also has a cool-looking remotely-controlled weapons station on the roof: That is super cool looking. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1760 "2023-01-18T20:58:50Z")
The US is reportedly going to supply Ukraine with Stryker infantry fighting vehicles, but not tanks. The US is also reportedly going to supply ground-launched Small Diameter Bombs. These have a range of 94 miles (150km), which is a significant increase on the 57-mile (92 km) range of the GMLRS rounds that Ukraine has been supplied with so far for the HIMARS, but less than the 185-mile (297km) range of the ATACMS missiles that Ukraine would like to have. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Stryker_ICV_front_q.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Stryker_ICV_front_q.jpg) Stryker infantry fighting vehicle > **[U.S. prepping major military package for Ukraine](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/18/major-military-package-ukraine-russia-00078331)** > > Friday’s announcement is expected to include Stryker vehicles, but not tanks. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1761 "2023-01-18T21:00:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > That is super cool looking. You’ll no doubt be pleased to hear that it’s also found on US Stryker infantry fighting vehicles. > **[Protector RWS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protector_RWS)** > > The Protector RWS is a remotely controlled weapons station (RWS) that can be mounted to vehicles and stationary platforms. It has been in full scale production since December 2001. It is manufactured by Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace of Norway. > The system consists of a stabilized firing platform, a fire-control system and control grips. Several weapons can be mounted to the platform, such as: > Several versions of Protector have been developed with more than 20,000 units sold around the world in s... ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1762 "2023-01-18T21:03:11Z")
Well, the [Treaty of Versailles](https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/treaty-of-versailles-1) did provide some grounds for the German people to feel persecuted. Doesn’t excuse how the Nazis used it as a springboard for their propaganda, of course. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1763 "2023-01-18T21:08:14Z")
Yeah, fuck them. The turned a regional conflict into WWI because they didn’t have enough colonies. They deserved the blame they got. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1764 "2023-01-18T21:22:00Z")
Not arguing that, though I will point out Germany was even more at fault for WWII but the victors setting up the Marshall Plan rather than Versailles-ing Germany a second time made a huge difference in how that country rejoined the civilized world. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1765 "2023-01-18T21:31:11Z")
**Modding** : and on that note, please take anything further on Germany to a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1766 "2023-01-18T22:13:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > That is super cool looking The Daleks have joined the war. This can’t be good. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1767 "2023-01-18T22:17:19Z")
Offshoot thread: [Putin = Hitler… or Kaiser Wilhelm II?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-hitler-or-kaiser-wilhelm-ii/978431) ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1768 "2023-01-18T22:25:05Z")
> **Summary** > > Matt Yglesias tweeted recently that those of us on the left frequently underestimate how sincerely conservatives believe what we consider to be their own bullshit. They honestly believe in low tax rates for the wealthy “producers” and in rigid social hierarchies, among other stuff, believing things like that are in the nation’s best interests. > > Demonstrating that they’re wrong is really hard. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1769 "2023-01-18T22:27:42Z")
Remember this is not the thread for politics. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1770 "2023-01-19T14:51:35Z")
General Hodges reacts to news that the US will supply longer-range Small Diameter Bombs to Ukraine: > > > Ukraine Battle Map @ukraine\_map The Polish prime minister says they may not wait for Germany’s permission to supply Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine: > Estonia’s military aid to Ukraine reaches 1% of GDP: > ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1771 "2023-01-19T15:02:11Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > The Polish prime minister says they may not wait for Germany’s permission to supply Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine: ‘It’s easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission.’ - Rear Admiral Grace Hopper (1906-1992) ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1772 "2023-01-19T15:12:40Z")
And Canada is sending 200 new armored vehicles: > **[Canada announces it will donate 200 armoured vehicles to Ukraine | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-ukaine-armoured-personnel-carriers-donation-1.6717597)** > > Canada is donating 200 Canadian-made armoured personnel carriers to Ukraine, Defence Minister Anita Anand announced on Wednesday while visiting Kyiv, Ukraine. It’s unclear if we have these already in stock, but from other sources, it seems the plant producing these has been ramping up production on the expectation that we would be sending a bunch. I heard they have the capacity to build about 1,000 per year, so hopefully it won’t be too long before at least some of these are on the ground in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1773 "2023-01-19T15:19:13Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > ‘It’s easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission.’ - Rear Admiral Grace Hopper (1906-1992) Maverick: “Tower, this is Ghost Rider requesting a flyby.” Tower: “Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.” Goose: “No, no, man. This is not a good idea.” Maverick: “Sorry, Goose, but it’s time to buzz the tower!” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1774 "2023-01-19T15:35:36Z")
In addition to the Archer self-propelled artillery, Sweden will donate 50 CV90 infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine: > > [@Horatius](#): > > And Canada is sending 200 new armored vehicles: The theme of the latest tranche of military aid seems to be armored fighting vehicles, to bolster Ukraine’s offensive capability and help them recapture territory. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1775 "2023-01-19T15:52:10Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > The theme of the latest tranche of military aid seems to be armored fighting vehicles, to bolster Ukraine’s offensive capability and help them recapture territory. The CBC article I linked mentioned that the vehicles of this type we’ve already sent are being used on the border with Belarus, which makes me think they’re part of a rapid response force intended to keep Belarus out of the fight, so they don’t get flanked while trying to deal with Russia in the west. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/1776 "2023-01-19T16:38:12Z")
Denmark is donating 19 CAESAR howitzers, which should be delivered to Denmark from France this year. > **[Denmark to send artillery to Ukraine, delaying own build-up](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/denmark-send-artillery-ukraine-delaying-own-build-up-2023-01-19/)** > > Denmark said on Thursday it will donate 19 French-made Caesar howitzer artillery systems to Ukraine, fulfilling the wish of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy but stunting the Nordic country's own military build-up. > **[CAESAR self-propelled howitzer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAESAR_self-propelled_howitzer)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > The CAmion Équipé d'un Système d'ARtillerie (English: Truck equipped with an artillery system) or CAESAR is a French 155 mm, 52-calibre self-propelled howitzer installed on a 6x6 or 8x8 truck chassis that can fire all 39/52 caliber NATO-standard shells. Equipped with an autonomous weapon network incorporating an inertial navigation system and ballistic computer, the CAESAR can notably accurately strike targets more than 40 kilometres (25 mi) awa... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=87) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=89)