# Russia invades Ukraine -- The regional situation

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Tags:** ukraine-invasion\
**Created:** [December 30, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349 "2023-12-30T18:43:41Z")\
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**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/301 "2024-04-18T16:15:53Z")

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More evidence of Russian infiltration of members of NATO.

> **[Germany arrests men who allegedly spied on U.S. military sites for Russia](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/germany-arrests-russia-spy-sabotage-plot-us-military-sites-ukraine-aid-rcna148331)**
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> Prosecutors accuse the two men of working with a Russian secret service agent to undermine international military support for Ukraine.

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**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/302 "2024-05-03T23:43:56Z")

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Right now it’s a regional problem. Could Russia increase the power and knock out Europe’s GPS?

This is in @LSLGuy wheelhouse.

Would it effect the younger pilots with less experience with older navigation equipment?

> **[Russia accused of jamming GPS navigation](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cne900k4wvjo)**
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> Experts say Russia has been jamming GPS signals in certain European regions, leading to disruption for civilian aircraft.

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> Juho Sinkkonen, Finnair’s vice-president for flight operations, told the BBC their aircraft encounter this issue daily.
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> “Pilots are reporting cases actively, and we get more than 100 reports per month,” he said.
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> However, Mr Sinkkonen said GPS interference is mainly a nuisance and carries few risks.
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> This is because while an aircraft is in flight - i.e. before approaching and landing at an airport – it can normally use other navigation systems, so losing connection to GPS does not pose an immediate threat to its safety.
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> According to Cyrille Rosay, a senior cybersecurity expert at the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), while the problem existed before the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 it is worsening.

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**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\
**Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/303 "2024-05-06T15:49:23Z")

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Russian intelligence agents have been stepping up attacks throughout Europe. After the start of the invasion a lot of agents were kicked out of Europe. Seems they’ve been working hard to replace them. Below is an article that talks about the number of attacks and the concerns.

Russia is certainly brazen about these things. I feel like the West needs to take a hard line with these sort of actions.

> <https://twitter.com/DLBaldwin7/status/1787116012074102797>

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**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2024, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/304 "2024-05-07T12:16:48Z")

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Speaking of (probable) Russian agents acting up:

> **[Bugging devices found in Polish government meeting room](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/poland-bugging-devices-government-room-russia-ukraine-war-rcna150996)**
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> As a hub for Western military supplies to Ukraine during the more than two-year war with Russia, Poland has been on heightened alert for spying.

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**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/305 "2024-05-07T21:22:45Z")

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The best thing for the West would be to do something non-violent, but also expose Russia as impotent. Figure out the maximum grey-area harassment and escalation possible.

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**Author:** ![FrenchDunadan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frenchdunadan/32/5449_2.png) [@FrenchDunadan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrenchDunadan)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/306 "2024-05-12T20:13:00Z")

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Changes in the power at Moscow:  
Shoïgou leave the Defense Ministry and take the Security Council. Belousov takes the Defense Ministry.  
As usual it’s a game of musical chairs.

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**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/307 "2024-05-12T21:36:53Z")

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Hey, let’s replace the guy with no military experience with another guy who has no military experience!

Not that I’m actually complaining, mind you.

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**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/308 "2024-05-12T22:28:17Z")

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Putin has put an economist in charge of his military. Is this to try to make military spending more efficient or is he just the most convenient yes man?

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**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/309 "2024-05-13T13:36:31Z")

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ISW says it is to prepare the economy for a protracted war. Likely part of the new(ish) strategy of seeing if the west will give up before Russia collapses.

> <https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1789857015679922403>
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> Institute for the Study of War @TheStudyofWar

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**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/310 "2024-05-13T17:00:56Z")

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I wonder where Patrushev has been moved to?

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**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/311 "2024-05-13T17:02:54Z")

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Probably to a window seat with a great view.

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/312 "2024-05-14T01:12:09Z")

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If the goal is a wartime mobilized economy, wouldn’t it make more sense to put a general in the economic ministry, rather than an economist in the defense ministry?

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**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2024, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/313 "2024-05-14T14:27:02Z")

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It’s because you are not a master strategist.

> <https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1790284841834934455>

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**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\
**Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/314 "2024-05-15T11:06:07Z")

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I wasn’t aware of most of these incidents, but Russia’s really been going all-out on the sabotage and disruption:

> **[Russia's 'brazen' and intensifying sabotage campaign across Europe](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/russias-brazen-intensifying-sabotage-campaign-europe-rcna147178)**
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> Vladimir Putin is trying to undermine Western support for Ukraine, according to U.S. and European officials. “Russia is definitely at war with the West,” said an analyst.

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**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\
**Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/315 "2024-05-15T13:54:13Z")

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500,000 _after 2 years of heavy losses_. Says a lot about the size of the Russian population.

For context, the US coalition forces in Iraq were at a similar level during the surge. But the coalition never had heavy losses similar to Russia.

Just the size of Russian forces makes them hard to stop. Doesn’t matter if their training is lacking.

If Russia’s Surge fails then maybe it will finally be their breaking point? 🤔

Link [Ukraine withdraws troops near Kharkiv, Russia enters Vovchansk in new offensive](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-withdraws-forces-kharkiv-russian-troops-enter-vovchansk-new-of-rcna152169)

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> The Russian forces attacking Ukraine have swelled to more than 500,000, a significant numerical advantage over their neighbors, according to Jack Watling, a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a London-based think tank.

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**Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/316 "2024-05-15T14:16:25Z")

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in WW1 Russia suffered 1,8 millions casualties in the military ( and about 1,5 million in civilians). Some sources goes up to 2 millions for military. All that on a population of 165 millions.  
The size of Russian population has a breaking point, but a high one.

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**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\
**Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/317 "2024-05-15T14:31:15Z")

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Russian aggression is making the Baltic region unstable. I hope the people responsible are Slovakian. Seems unlikely outside factions would attack the PM.

[https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/15/europe/slovakia-prime-minister-fico-shooting-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/15/europe/slovakia-prime-minister-fico-shooting-intl/index.html)

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> Slovakia’s Prime Minister [Robert Fico](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/01/world/slovakia-election-pro-russia-robert-fico-win-intl-hnk/index.html) was shot multiple times after a government meeting and is in a life-threatening condition, according to a statement posted on his official Facebook page.

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> Fico won a third term as Slovakian prime minister last October after running a campaign that criticized western support for Ukraine. Ahead of the election, Fico made no secret of his sympathies towards the Kremlin and blamed “Ukrainian Nazis and fascists” for provoking Vladimir Putin into launching the invasion, repeating the false narrative Russia’s president has used to justify his invasion.

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**Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/318 "2024-05-15T15:23:40Z")

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> [@aceplace57](#):
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> Russian aggression is making the Baltic region unstable. I hope the people responsible are Slovakian. Seems unlikely outside factions would attack the PM.

Balkan.

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**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\
**Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/319 "2024-05-15T16:12:44Z")

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> [@aceplace57](#):
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> Russian aggression is making the Baltic region unstable. I hope the people responsible are Slovakian. Seems unlikely outside factions would attack the PM.
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> [https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/15/europe/slovakia-prime-minister-fico-shooting-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/15/europe/slovakia-prime-minister-fico-shooting-intl/index.html)

Slovakia is in the [Balkan Peninsula](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/balkan-countries.html). Saying that “the Balkan region [is] unstable” is kind of like observing that rain is wet, hence the common term “balkanization” to refer to a fragmentation of interests and internecine conflict.

Robert Fico is a pro-Putinist, proto-fascist, Viktor Orban ally, and is a major cause of political instability in Slovakia. [Fuck that guy.](https://youtu.be/1_Wzjl3i8Xs?si=hiOR_dRDTJFjThY7)

Stranger

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**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\
**Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/320 "2024-05-15T16:18:56Z")

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I got my B regions mixed up. Thank you for the correction.  
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