# Russia invades Ukraine -- The regional situation **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [December 30, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349 "2023-12-30T18:43:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/581 "2024-09-20T07:05:02Z")
Was tempted to put this in the “Full Self Driving Cars” thread, but it fits better here: Full remote not driving at all by courtesy of Elon Musk! > **[Russia's Kadyrov Accuses Musk Of 'Remotely Disabling' His Cybertruck](https://www.barrons.com/news/russia-s-kadyrov-accuses-musk-of-remotely-disabling-his-cybertruck-e8d6e362)** > > Ramzan Kadyrov, the powerful leader of Russia's Chechen Republic, accused Elon Musk on Thursday of disabling a Tesla Cybertruck that he claimed to have received from the billionaire last month. If he can do this to Kadyrov he can do this to everyone, anytime. It would have been better IMO to tell the Ucranians exactly _where_ the truck (aka DepLorean) was moving along. ---
**Author:** ![Tripler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripler/32/21807_2.png) [@Tripler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tripler)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/582 "2024-09-20T10:10:02Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > And @Tripler who lurves him a big boom too. 🤪 Admittedly, I squealed and giggled like my neighbor’s 3-year old when I saw that news. Tripler The phrase “Tee hee!” was also uttered amongst adults. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/583 "2024-09-22T14:08:19Z")
The Elephant in the room is obviously Tuesday, November 5. Can’t say anything more here. Permission would be needed to open a thread in Politics. I’m willing to wait until after Nov 5 and see what happens in Ukraine. Negotiations are still crucial. Plans for the near future need to start now. Missile stockpiles can be quietly positioned for quick delivery. Ukraine probably has targeting lists already prepared. > **[Lammy urges ‘guts’ in ongoing US talks over Ukraine using missiles in Russia](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/22/lammy-urges-fortitude-over-ukraine-using-storm-shadow-missiles-in-russia)** > > In remarks apparently directed at White House, UK foreign secretary says Kyiv’s allies need to show ‘nerve’ > [@](#): > > The UK foreign secretary, David Lammy, has indicated that delicate negotiations with the White House to allow [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) to use Storm Shadow missiles inside Russia are ongoing, arguing it was a time for “nerve and guts”. > > The apparent encouragement to Joe Biden comes just over a week after Lammy and Keir Starmer visited the US president in the White House but [failed to resolve the sticking point](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/14/ukraine-war-briefing-biden-starmer-stop-short-of-announcing-missile-strike-permission) between two countries. > > Speaking at a fringe event at the Labour party conference in Liverpool, Lammy said the hardship and challenges of the war in Ukraine would get “deeper and harsher”, particularly heading into “the back end of 2025 into 2026” and beyond. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/584 "2024-09-23T10:51:38Z")
An interesting and mildly encouraging argument from a now-exiled Russian dissident on the potential instability of Putin’s hold on power. > **[Putin regime will collapse without warning, says freed gulag dissident](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/22/putin-regime-will-collapse-without-warning-says-freed-gulag-dissident)** > > Vladimir Kara-Murza and his wife, Evgenia, speak of his time in a Siberian jail He’s a historian, so he draws parallels with previous Russian regime failures, using them to argue that when Putin loses his grip, it will happen very, very suddenly, and, further, that such a collapse is more likely than Westerners seem to believe. I’m sort of skeptical about his rosy view of Russia’s political future, to be honest. Historical analogues can be instructive, but they’re never perfect; every new situation is unique. On the other hand, he’s Russian, and I’m not; and he’s a historian, and I’m not. In any case, I thought it was interesting and worth reading. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/585 "2024-09-23T16:17:20Z")
All dictatorships are brittle and live or die on the perception of solidity. Even if that’s mere wallpaper disguising an avalanche in progress backstage. As a separate matter all Soviet-era men have short life expectancies compared to Westerners of the same age cohort. Putin’s sell-by date is approaching. But what comes next is definitely _not_ guaranteed to be better from our POV. Or that of the long-suffering Russian public. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/586 "2024-09-23T16:33:53Z")
Slovakia has decided it doesn’t want to buy 12 AH-1 Cobra helicopters after all and Ukraine is now interested in them. > **[Ukraine wants 12 Viper attack helicopters spurned by Slovakia](https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/09/13/ukraine-wants-12-viper-attack-helicopters-spurned-by-slovakia/)** > > A Ukrainian lawmaker has called on defense leaders in Bratislava to make up their minds about a pending Viper offer. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/587 "2024-09-23T17:49:37Z")
Not everything is going according to plan for Russia’s military: [https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russian-missile-failed-during-test-researchers-imagery-indicate-2024-09-23/](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russian-missile-failed-during-test-researchers-imagery-indicate-2024-09-23/) I hope the rest of their nukes are also quite obsolete and rusty. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/588 "2024-09-23T17:51:48Z")
Failure when testing a new design is much more likely than failure in an old and well tested design. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/589 "2024-09-24T06:10:02Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Failure when testing a new design is much more likely than failure in an old and well tested design But as I understand it, they’ve put rockets of the new design into silos without any kind of significant testing. Previous rockets had been tested 20 or more times before being fielded. This one, they’re testing it after and it isn’t passing the tests. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/590 "2024-09-24T13:19:01Z")
I’m reminded of this guy: [![](https://www.abtasty.com/wp-content/uploads/test-in-production-meme-2.jpg) ](https://www.abtasty.com/wp-content/uploads/test-in-production-meme-2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/591 "2024-09-24T14:38:05Z")
Uh, what guy? I’m a smidge surprised the newest Russian ICBM is liquid-fueled. I suppose they have valid design reasons, but solid fuel always seemed to be the more reliable option for systems that have to respond at seconds’ notice. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/592 "2024-09-24T14:53:20Z")
The Czech President is probably right, but it’s not helpful to express it publicly. 😕 Especially with [President Zelensky in Washington trying to gain support](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7582l4015o) for his plan to end the war. Even Ukrainians are beginning to realize Washington isn’t willing to see Russia defeated. Some kind of negotiated compromise is required. > **['Temporary' occupation of Ukrainian territory most likely outcome of Russia's...](https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-needs-to-be-realistic/)** > > "To talk about a defeat of Ukraine or defeat of Russia, it will simply not happen. So the end will be somewhere in between," Czech President Petr Pavel told The New York Times. > [@](#): > > Ukrainian military expert and retired colonel Kostyantyn Mashovets warned his fellow Ukrainians they had to be “psychologically prepared” for the loss of Selydove, Toretsk and Vuhledar in the eastern region of Donbas. > > “I would love to be wrong,” he wrote on Facebook. > > “But from the information I have… this is a very likely scenario of events in the near future.” ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/593 "2024-09-24T15:17:08Z")
I was merely commenting on the idea that a failure of new missile during a test indicated that old well tested missiles might fail as well. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/594 "2024-09-24T16:31:47Z")
I don’t know if this is the right thread for this (hopefully its not a highjack) but from this article > **[Ukraine war: Zelensky to present 'victory plan' to Biden, Harris and Trump](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y30244467o)** > > The Ukrainian leader is due to meet the US president before attending the UN General Assembly. Is it really a good idea to Tell Putin’s best friend your war plans? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/595 "2024-09-24T16:32:36Z")
This is specifically about the fighting in Ukraine, but since it is unclear when it was shot, I’m posting it here. > **[Watch: Ukrainian drone drops water for dying Russian soldier – and leads him...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-ukrainian-drone-drops-bottle-151243642.html)** > > Operator drops a note to injured enemy soldier on Donbas battlefield with directions > The Ukrainian drone drops a grenade near the injured man but fails to kill him. > > Later, the drone returns to the trench to discover that the injured soldier has crawled away from the earth arch and is now lying on his back, begging to be spared. > > The Ukrainian drone operator takes pity on the injured Russian soldier. The drone dumps its grenades onto the battlefield, flies back to base and then returns with a bottle of water and a note with instructions on how the injured Russian soldier can reach Ukrainian lines and safety. > > The Russian soldier crosses himself and waves “thank you” to the Ukrainian drone operator before he gulps down the water. The drone guides the Russian toward Ukrainian lines, where he surrenders and is roughly taken away. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/596 "2024-09-24T17:00:07Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I was merely commenting on the idea that a failure of new missile during a test indicated that old well tested missiles might fail as well. Of course the new missile would fail because it was untested, while the old missile would fail (so I hope) because it was not properly serviced and the responsible technicians/officers/janitors/whoever-was-able-to took the money for maintenance and some bribery on top of that instead of fulfilling their duty. ---
**Author:** ![FrenchDunadan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frenchdunadan/32/5449_2.png) [@FrenchDunadan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrenchDunadan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/597 "2024-09-24T17:13:46Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Is it really a good idea to Tell Putin’s best friend your war plans? Depends if you tell him the “real” plan or not… ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/598 "2024-09-25T14:40:08Z")
Zelenskyy continues to surprise and impress me. Focusing on a just peace instead of defeating Russia is a good strategy. I notice more confidence in his tone. The speeches he made in previous years were more focused on aid and Ukraine’s survival. Which was in jeopardy. I believe Zelenskyy is projecting a position of strength. Ukraine has taken everything Putin can throw at them. Ukraine is stronger than ever. That’s the right position to negotiate a lasting peace. Guardian live feed > [@](#): > > ## Zelenskyy calls for ‘real peace’ in UN speech criticising plans that ‘ignore suffering of Ukrainians’ > > **Zelenskyy** says that nearly 100 nations and international organisations have supported the peace formula that he has proposed, including countries that have “gone through wars themselves, and those accustomed to peace are all were equal”. > > The Ukrainian president says he has met with leaders from across the world during this UN general assembly summit, and that they all “share the same understanding”. “It must be a real, just peace,” Zelenskyy says. > [@](#): > > **Zelenskyy** says the world must restore nuclear safety and for energy to stop being used as a weapon. He says food security must be ensured and that all the captured Ukrainian soldiers and civilians must be returned home. > > The Ukrainian president says the UN charter must be upheld to guarantee his country’s right to territorial integrity and sovereignty. Russian occupiers must withdraw and “we must hold those responsible for war crimes accountable,” he says. > > > We need to make it clear the war is over. This is the peace formula. > > Concluding his address to the UN general assembly, Zelenskyy says: > > > I want peace for my people, real peace and just peace, and I am asking for your support from all nations of the world. We do not divide the world. I ask the same of you. Do not divide the world. Be united nations, and that will bring us peace. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/599 "2024-09-25T14:48:17Z")
They’ve done like three or four attacks on large arsenals over the past week. I heard that just one of those attacks took out 30,000 TONS of ammunition. That’s equal to one year of Russia’s munitions production during peacetime. I gather that the cumulative effect of the arsenal attacks is that they’ve deprived Russia of _several months_ worth of ammo. My guess is this is going to have strategic implications. I bet for starters Russia’s big 2024 offensive grinds to a halt now. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/600 "2024-09-25T18:26:25Z")
The war is hurting Russia’s nuclear science, as CERN ends colaboration with Russian scientists. > **[CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December](https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/)** > > But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349.md?page=31)