# Russia invades Ukraine -- The regional situation **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [December 30, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349 "2023-12-30T18:43:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/81 "2024-01-19T22:07:20Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Ukranian drones are hitting oil depots and other valuable buildings in Russia. And this article says that “once the Kremlin halted intensive fighting in Ukraine, Moscow “may need as little as six to 10 years to reconstitute its armed forces”, and the Nato alliance would have be prepared to fend off a Russian attack.” Scary. if the last 2 years showed us something it is this: RU is HUGE on OVERPROMISING and UNDERDELIVERING … every single piece of equipment was shown to be hyped up … and performing way poorer than thought… 5.000.000 T90 tanks being taken out by $5000 drones, etc… the invincible hypersonic missile that gets taken out by run-of-the-mill AA, etc… Moscva sunk, submarine sunk, etc… and don’t get me started on their special forces … ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/82 "2024-01-20T14:04:57Z")
Is it possible that the US units planned for deployment in the exercise aren’t being notified yet to test their readiness for an actual mobilization? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/83 "2024-01-20T14:33:45Z")
The story is told that, when Eisenhower became President, one of the top brass bragged to him that they could get 500 planes airborne on 30 minutes notice. Ike looked at his watch, and said “OK, start now.”. And of course, they couldn’t do it. So yeah, it’s good to run tests like that every so often. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2024, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/84 "2024-01-21T08:37:33Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > the invincible hypersonic missile that gets taken out by run-of-the-mill AA, etc… ‘Hypersonic’ was only misspelling by comrade clerk. True name of glorius new weapon is ‘hyperbolic’ missile! Spasibo. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/85 "2024-01-22T17:20:52Z")
[Putin says the sale of Alaska to the United States in 1867 was illegal.](https://bnnbreaking.com/politics/putin-challenges-legality-of-19th-century-alaska-sale-asserts-russian-claim/) > The Alaska Purchase, a historical agreement in which Russia sold the territory to the U.S. for $7.2 million, is now being labeled as ‘illegal’ by Putin, asserting **Russia’s claim over Alaska**. [Ultra-nationalist Russian Telegram channel Two Majors](https://www.newsweek.com/putin-decree-triggers-ominous-alaska-calls-territory-empire-soviet-union-1862689) says: > “We suggest starting with Alaska,” the Two Majors Telegram channel—which has more than 530,000 subscribers—wrote. Beyond that, the blogger wrote that the Kremlin should look to “Dnieper Ukraine, Bessarabia, the Grand Duchy of Finland, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, the Central Asian states of Russian Turkestan, most of the Baltic provinces, and a significant part of Poland.” ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/86 "2024-01-22T17:31:31Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > the invincible hypersonic missile that gets taken out by run-of-the-mill AA The only AA system that has shot down Kinzhal “hypersonic” missiles is Patriot, which I wouldn’t describe as run-of-the-mill. That said, Kinzhal is not a proper hypersonic missile. It’s just an air-launch version of the regular Iskander ballistic missile. All long range ballistic missiles travel at hypersonic speeds, but properly fancy hypersonic weapon systems can _maneuver_ at hypersonic speeds, enabling evasive maneuvers and terminal guidance to target. Ballistic missiles might be travelling just as fast, but they’re following ballistic trajectories which obviously greatly simplifies interception. The advantage that Kinzhal has over Iskander is just that it can be launched from anywhere a Mig-31 can get to, rather than wherever your ground launcher is, so you can come at the enemy from unexpected angles with very little warning. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/87 "2024-01-22T17:59:29Z")
Seems like it’s a bit late to make a claim like that, 156 years or so after the event in question. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/88 "2024-01-22T18:04:07Z")
Putin believes ‘Once Russia, always Russia!’ ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/89 "2024-01-22T18:14:03Z")
Meanwhile, in the sane world… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/90 "2024-01-23T01:34:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Putin says the sale of Alaska to the United States in 1867 was illegal. Retracted. [Snopes](https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-rumor-putin-declared-234900529.html) says it’s false. > The document did not, according to this translation, mention Alaska at any point, or state that the sale of that or any other territory formerly owned by Russia was sold “illegally.” ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/91 "2024-01-23T19:24:23Z")
Ukraine claims to be in production of a system to disable drones by generating white noise in their operating frequencies. It has a range of 250 meters. If it works that would be pretty important to have on vehicles as well as infantry positions. > ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/92 "2024-01-23T19:26:32Z")
Seems like it could prevent Russian drones from being able to drop grenades on Ukrainian heads, but unfortunately, drones could still loiter from 250+ meters away from the Ukrainians and provide reconnaissance/photos to Russian forces. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/93 "2024-01-23T19:38:13Z")
Good point. So it might be good against FPV drones but a drone used to adjust artillery fire would still be a problem. Sure looks like drones are going to need an integrated defense system to counter them. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/94 "2024-01-23T21:24:49Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Seems like it could prevent Russian drones from being able to drop grenades on Ukrainian heads They can’t drop them from 251 meters altitude? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/95 "2024-01-23T21:33:41Z")
They could but I’d imagine there’s much more potential for wind to blow the grenades astray or for the operator to simply miss from far range above. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/96 "2024-01-23T23:24:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Putin says the sale of Alaska to the United States in 1867 was illegal. I heard that already in 2001, when I was in Moscow, from the old lady I rented a flat with my wife. She also said that Crimea was Russian, of course. You see where this tropes are heading. Nothing offical, just rumors on Telegram. Plus ça change… ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/97 "2024-01-23T23:29:56Z")
That was already debunked about 6-8 posts ago. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/98 "2024-01-23T23:31:36Z")
I did not say that Putin officially said it, I claim that it is a trope that gets repeated again and again in the _right_ circles. And the normal Russian citizen likes it. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/99 "2024-01-23T23:32:10Z")
Gotcha. Thank you. I’m having an obtuse day and should bail out before I annoy somebody in some thread needlessly. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/100 "2024-01-23T23:38:48Z")
No problem, have a good night’s rest, I know you meant well. Putin, on the other hand, lets this rumors build up pressure, and then he must act accordingly. What else is he supposed to do? A lousy _modus operandi,_ but we are not his intended audience. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349.md?page=6)