# Russia invades Ukraine -- The regional situation **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [December 30, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349 "2023-12-30T18:43:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2025, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1122 "2025-08-19T10:29:24Z")
Here’s a useful explainer on the land in question (at the moment, at least - whether Putin would stick to any such agreement or come back for more in a few years’ time is another matter) > **[Why is Donbas region becoming a defining faultline in Ukraine talks?](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/18/donbas-faultline-ukraine-russia-talks-putin-trump-zelenskyy?CMP=share_btn_url)** > > Putin has reportedly demanded full control of industrial region but Kyiv is set against ceding any territory ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2025, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1123 "2025-08-19T12:01:01Z")
The Sinclair-adjacent publisher of the _Baltimore Sun_ this morning urged Trump to pull the U.S. out of NATO in return for Ukrainian membership. He cited George Washington’s disdain for foreign entanglements as his grounds. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2025, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1124 "2025-08-19T15:36:06Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > He cited George Washington’s disdain for foreign entanglements as his grounds. Hmmm…yes. Washington made that comment in his September 1796 farewell address. Outside the borders in Europe the [War of the First Coalition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_First_Coalition) raged while there was always the thorny issue of whether to support the Landgraviate of Hesse-Homburg over the Principality of Solms-Braunfels. So very, very apropos of our times. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2025, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1125 "2025-08-19T21:54:51Z")
Another really interesting take on the situation by strategist Anders Puck Nielson. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/f2ainZL8Tzk/maxresdefault.jpg "Putin is trapped by Trump's misunderstandings") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ainZL8Tzk) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1126 "2025-08-30T12:25:05Z")
The war continues and is even more vicious. There is also reoprts of large attacks on Kiev. How many more times will Putin show contempt for any Western peace efforts? Link [Major Russian attack in Ukraine kills over a dozen, hits British Council : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2025/08/28/nx-s1-5520503/russian-drone-attack-kills-ukraine-kyiv) The Guardian live feed > [@](#): > > - **Ukraine’s central Dnipropetrovsk region came under a “massive attack” early on Saturday, the region’s governor said, reporting strikes in Dnipro and Pavlograd.** “The region is under a massive attack. Explosions are being heard,” Sergiy Lysak wrote on Telegram, warning residents to take cover. He said overnight Russian strikes killed two people in Dnipropetrovsk, which had been largely spared from intense fighting since Russia’s 2022 invasion. Kyiv acknowledged on Tuesday that Russian troops had entered the region. > - **The United States has warned Russia to move toward peace and meet with Ukraine or face possible sanctions at an emergency meeting of the UN security council called on Friday** after missile strikes on Kyiv killed at least 23 people overnight on Thursday. US diplomat John Kelley told the meeting the strikes “cast doubt on the seriousness of Russia’s desire for peace” and demanded that “these strikes on civilian areas must stop immediately”. He said Vladimir Putin and [Volodymyr Zelenskyy](https://www.theguardian.com/world/volodymyr-zelenskiy) must agree to meet, and reiterated Donald Trump’s warning that Washington could impose sanctions on Russia if the war continues. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1127 "2025-08-30T12:27:42Z")
This would be the same UN Security Council that Russia has a veto on? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1128 "2025-08-30T12:36:38Z")
I wonder if Ukraine is still getting US satellite intelligence? I saw reports it was restricted a few months ago. But US policy can change at any time. That information is crucial for advance warnings of Russian troop buildups and new infrastructure. I think US satellite intelligence can predict preparations for major air strikes on Ukraine? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1129 "2025-08-30T15:36:12Z")
The former speaker of the Ukrainian Parliament, Andrij Parubij, has been shot dead. I only found German and Spanish sources so far, English news sites seem to be having a nice weekend: > **[Asesinado a tiros en Leópolis el expresidente del parlamento ucraniano Andri...](https://www.eldiario.es/internacional/asesinado-tiros-leopolis-expresidente-parlamento-ucraniano-andri-parubi_1_12566771.html)** > > El presidente de Ucrania, Volodímir Zelenski, ha informado del atentado y ha indicado que se "destinarán los recursos necesarios para la investigación y el castigo del asesino" > **[Handelsblatt](https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/ukraine-krieg-ukrainischer-ex-parlamentschef-in-lwiw-getoetet/100151699.html)** Some excerpts from both sources: > Former Ukrainian Parliament Speaker Andriy Parubiy was killed on Saturday in Lviv in a shooting attack around noon. > According to police, the victim, who was born in 1971, died at the scene from his injuries. Regional police, the Ukrainian National Police, and the Security Service are investigating the crime. > Efforts are currently underway to identify the perpetrator and determine their whereabouts. > In 2004, Parubi was actively involved in the Orange Revolution. In 2007, he was elected to parliament for the first time, representing the Our Ukraine–People’s Self-Defense bloc. > In 2016, he became the speaker of parliament. > Born in 1971, Parubiy was Speaker of Parliament from 2016 to 2019. During the pro-Western revolution on Independence Square in Kiev, he also appeared as commander of a tent camp and leader of the “Maidan Self-Defense” organization. In 2014, the year of pro-Western protests in Ukraine, he held the post of Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine. > > Sergei Markov, a Russian political scientist close to the Kremlin, described Parubiy as one of the organizers of the “mass murder” in Odessa on May 2, 2014, when several pro-Russian activists died in the fire at the trade union building. “He was literally a madman,” Markov wrote on Telegram. “He bears responsibility for the deaths of many people after the Ukrainian leadership cracked down on the Russian-speaking population in 2014 following the overthrow of pro-Moscow President Viktor Yanukovych.” I think I know in which direction the investigantions will focus. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1130 "2025-08-30T15:38:56Z")
I first heard about it on the BBC: > **[Prominent Ukrainian politician Andriy Parubiy shot dead in Lviv](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw6ep37469o)** > > President Zelensky said the killing of Parubiy was a "terrible murder" - with a manhunt under way. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1131 "2025-08-30T19:12:45Z")
Today I learned that Lviv is Leópolis in Spanish. The Spanish language has this affinity for classical Greek names. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1132 "2025-08-30T19:48:09Z")
Not sure if this thread is suitable for post this, but some observers are noting that Ukraine is way over-using tourniquets, even in situations where tourniquets aren’t needed or justified, and this is leading to many needless amputations and deaths. > **[‘Cult’ of tourniquets causing thousands of unnecessary amputations and deaths...](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/cult-of-tourniquets-causing-unnecessary-amputations-deaths/)** > > The strong bands are used to stop catastrophic bleeding – but if left on for too long they can cause tissue death ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2025, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1133 "2025-09-01T00:33:44Z")
It could be a internal Ukrainian power struggle. Blaming the Russians would be the easy answer. It’s interesting no one has commented on motive. Volodymyr Zelensky is investigating first before commenting. > **[Arrest after fatal shooting of Ukrainian politician Andriy Parubiy](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgn2ry9510o)** > > Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says "urgent investigations" are underway to establish what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2025, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1134 "2025-09-10T11:09:36Z")
19 Russian drones violated Polish airspace this morning, leading Poland to shoot down several of them and call for Article 4 consultations. A few more such incursions and there may finally be a sharper NATO response. > **[Poland downs Russian drones in first time a NATO member has fired during...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ukraines-air-force-warns-russian-231106017.html)** > > Poland shot down drones in its airspace on Wednesday with the backing of military aircraft from its NATO allies, the first time a member of the Western military alliance is known to have fired shots during Russia's war in Ukraine. Polish Prime... ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1135 "2025-09-11T01:19:17Z")
I am increasingly convinced that Putin has a fatal condition of some kind and has decided that if he can’t have the world, no one can and intends to burn it all down. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1136 "2025-09-11T09:45:11Z")
At his age, every Russian man has a soon-to-be-fatal condition. For decade-ish definitions of “soon”. So does trump for that matter. I don’t think that has anything to do with it. Putin knows he will die in office, or within minutes of being deposed from office. So anything that would trigger a palace coup is to be avoided. From where he is today, there’s no going back on Ukraine; he’d be promptly deposed. History shows you can _always_ outwait the democracies in a [can’t win / can’t stand to lose] situation. So keep the slow-motion meatgrinder going, and hope his ~~pal~~ planted agent trump delivers him Ukraine on, if not a silver platter, at least a rusty hubcap. So far he’s winning this slow-motion arm wrestle. A pyrrhic victory to be sure, but he is winning. ---
**Author:** ![Mops](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mops/32/16494_2.png) [@Mops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mops)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1137 "2025-09-12T06:24:54Z")
Trump: The drone incursion into Poland “…could have been a mistake…” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/0XiylD7FGn4/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump Poland News | Could've Been A Mistake, But I'm Not Happy - Trump On Poland Attack") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XiylD7FGn4&t=1) Given that drone shootdowns have been at Warsaw, and even west of Warsaw, i.e. a great distance into Poland, that statement is ludicrous. > **[September 2025 Russian drone incursion into Poland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2025_Russian_drone_incursion_into_Poland)** > > On 9 September 2025, at approximately 11:30 p.m. CEST, at least 19, and likely 23 kamikaze drones entered Polish airspace after being launched from the Russian Federation. Polish Air Force and NATO Quick Reaction Alert aircraft scrambled, and at least 8 drones were shot down, most of them by the Dutch Air Force. Poland's prime minister Donald Tusk said that the drones which "posed a direct threat" had been shot down. The airspace over Warsaw International Airport, Warsaw Modl According to Rz... The US reaction to a threat against Poland has been tested now, and with the desired result. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1138 "2025-09-12T10:15:46Z")
Exactly what should be expected from Putin’s man in Washington. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1139 "2025-09-13T22:50:03Z")
Ukraine has quietly attacked Russia’s oil refineries throughout this summer. Ukraine scores another hit almost 900 miles away. Two interesting comparisons. A drone launched from St Louis could hit Washington DC (815 miles) or Denver Co (850 miles). Our military leaders are certainly aware of the danger. Defending territory and infrastructure is much more difficult in a drone war. There is always a possibility partisans launched the drone from inside Russia. Link [Ukraine drone starts fire at one of Russia’s largest oil plants | Russia | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/13/ukraine-drone-sparks-fire-at-one-of-russias-largest-oil-plants) > [@](#): > > The complex, which belongs to Russian oil company Bashneft, lies on the outskirts of the central Russian city of Ufa about 870 miles (1,400km) from the frontline in [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine). > > Videos posted on social media appeared to show a drone drifting towards the facility on Saturday before exploding in a ball of flames, sending a cloud of smoke into the sky. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2025, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1140 "2025-09-13T22:55:44Z")
Tyler Rogaway and others on TheWarZone have been sounding the alarm for years that the United States is 1) severely deficient in anti-drone defense and 2) severely deficient in pumping out its own cheap Shahed-like drones. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2025, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349/1141 "2025-09-14T00:21:28Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > severely deficient in pumping out its own cheap Shahed-like drones. “Cheap” isn’t in the vocabulary of the Military-Industrial Complex. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349.md?page=58)