# Russia may be about to invade Ukraine. {Russia has invaded as of Feb 24-2022} **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [April 9, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699 "2021-04-09T20:11:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/881 "2022-02-24T12:57:07Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > When everybody has rattled their sabres long and loudly enough – and I very much include America under the heading of countries that are sabre-rattling – the situation will revert to the status quo. > > Sorry to disappoint all the warmongers here who would just _love_ something exciting and melodramatic to happen, but it won’t. I doubt you’ll be back to this thread, but I hope that you (and everyone else) who downplayed this obviously premeditated invasion will use this opportunity to re-evaluate whatever faulty mental habits led you to such a spectacular self-beclowning (and do spare us the protestations of “now is not the time”). ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/882 "2022-02-24T13:00:15Z")
It would depend on how really “invisible” the B2 is. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/883 "2022-02-24T13:04:25Z")
_Well you see, Frau Merkel had a panic attack after Fukishima and closed 17 nuclear rectors, so we were, whatever’s the proper Hebrew for “up shits creek without a paddle”_ ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/884 "2022-02-24T13:07:05Z")
“Great facepalms of the early 21st Century”. though I’m not sure all the blame can be laid at Merkel’s feet, I seem to remember a general rejection of nuclear energy in Germany’s parliament at the time. ---
**Author:** ![filmstar-en](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/50afbb/32.png) [@filmstar-en](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmstar-en)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/885 "2022-02-24T13:13:23Z")
I would not worry about the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. It will remain new and unused. It is a bargaining chip, useful to Russia to put pressure on Ukraine where pipelines carry most of the gas at the moment. However……that horse trading has been overtaken by recent events. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/886 "2022-02-24T13:16:31Z")
Alongwith reset with Russia that saw US military forces in Europe reduced to…two brigades. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/887 "2022-02-24T13:20:05Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > For some reason, I just feel like this is mostly sabre rattling. I hope I’m right. Right now, I’d still put my money on nothing happening in the next month. Oh well. So much for my pie-in-the-sky optimism. Good thing I’m not a betting man. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/890 "2022-02-24T13:26:29Z")
**Warning** : This is not at all an appropriate post outside of the Pit, do not do this again. Your rudeness to other posters has been noticed. You need to ratchet back this behavior. As the word rudeness has been questioned, let me make this clear: > [@Russia may be about to invade Ukraine. {Russia has invaded as of Feb 24-2022}](#): > > re-evaluate whatever faulty mental habits led you to such a spectacular self-beclowning This is insulting and attacking another poster. Not attacking a post. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/891 "2022-02-24T13:28:41Z")
Definitively disproven, that’ll teach me to be optimistic about international relations… ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/892 "2022-02-24T13:30:28Z")
I don’t think that has so much relevance, Russia would’ve invaded Ukraine anyway no matter how many US forces were deployed in Europe. They’ll have to bring them back I guess and that will cost money and political influence but they can do it if they want before Putin’s finished digesting Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/893 "2022-02-24T13:52:08Z")
I agree. Putin knows that NATO isn’t going to liberate Ukraine in the style of Kuwait in 1991, no matter how strong the NATO forces on the ground are. IMHO the next front on this new war will be whether or not Finland and Sweden decide to officially join NATO. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/894 "2022-02-24T13:53:38Z")
I’m familiar with what SWIFT is, and the debate over kicking Russia out of it, but can someone explain to me what the argument AGAINST kicking them out is? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/895 "2022-02-24T14:10:33Z")
I’ve heard that it would be taken as an act of war. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/896 "2022-02-24T14:20:51Z")
My limited understanding is SWIFT is suppose to be neutral and kicking Russia out would undermine keeping the US Dollar as the defacto World Currency. This might explain it far better: > **[U.S., EU unlikely to cut Russia off SWIFT for now -Biden](https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/eu-unlikely-cut-russia-off-swift-now-sources-say-2022-02-24/)** > > The United States and the European Union have opted not to cut Russia off from the SWIFT global interbank payments system as part of their sanctions against Moscow for invading Ukraine, but could revisit that issue, U.S. President Joe Biden said on... ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/897 "2022-02-24T14:30:24Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I just find it interesting that the UN, a body designed _specifically_ to prevent another war in Europe involving the great powers, has been completely MIA for another war in Europe involving a great power. Oh, is THAT what the UN is for? I thought their job was to condemn Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/898 "2022-02-24T14:35:52Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Oh, is THAT what the UN is for? I thought their job was to condemn Israel. No, that’s their hobby. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/899 "2022-02-24T14:41:52Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > Putin may be a lot of things, [but mad isn’t one of them:](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/23/putin-narrative-ukraine-master-key-crisis-nato-expansionism-frozen-conflict) I don’t believe Putin is mentally unstable and wasn’t using crazy as diagnostic description. There are a lot of people who argued that the buildup of troops was just a bluff on Putin’s part opining that attacking Ukraine was a great way to get more NATO as other countries rush to join or strengthen their ties with it. I guess the logic went “Putin doesn’t want more NATO, attacking would get more NATO, therefore this is a Machiavellian ruse by that crafty Russian and we need to stop overreacting.” Hindsight is 20/20 I guess. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/900 "2022-02-24T15:30:48Z")
Or at least that it would not have been what it is, a full-scale invasion. I was figuring an expansion into eastern Ukraine, maybe the whole of those two areas, and that would be it. The West would grumble, increase sanctions, and we’d be otherwise in an extension of 2014. ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/901 "2022-02-24T15:37:00Z")
May be worth a thread of it’s own, but since President Biden is scheduled to address the nation tonight, what SHOULD he say? Should he even mention’s Putin’s threats? Should he try an _address directly to the people of Russia_? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699/902 "2022-02-24T15:47:23Z")
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