# Russia probe reaches White House **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 19, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-probe-reaches-white-house/787025 "2017-05-19T19:18:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-probe-reaches-white-house/787025/81 "2017-05-20T05:23:06Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > We may not end until we have President Hatch. A nasty old bugger from Utah to be sure, but at least he’s a recognizable sane-ish Republican. O President Ralph? ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-probe-reaches-white-house/787025/82 "2017-05-20T05:25:23Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > I wonder if he knows. > I wonder if he knows that he knows. What did the President know, and when did he stop knowing it? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-probe-reaches-white-house/787025/83 "2017-05-20T06:28:58Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Agree completely with **Sunny Daze** ’s assessment above. > > I don’t see how Ryan can garner the votes to get it. He soiled his drawers by throwing his lot in with Trump, and that stank will stay with him. It makes him unacceptable to moderate Republicans and all the Dems. Plus he has that heartless healthcare bill rubbed all over him, too. > > We may not end until we have President Hatch. A nasty old bugger from Utah to be sure, but at least he’s a recognizable sane-ish Republican. Ryan doesn’t need votes. If Trump and Pence are both knocked out, Ryan succeeds automatically. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-probe-reaches-white-house/787025/84 "2017-05-20T06:39:45Z")
So, he might try a double Impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-probe-reaches-white-house/787025/85 "2017-05-20T08:47:12Z")
> [@ganthet](#): > > [WOW.](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/19/trump-officials-he-looks-more-and-more-like-a-complete-moron) That’s something a pundit says, not someone who calls Trump their boss. Well, I don’t think it was him saying that (Mother wouldn’t approve of him taking such a tone), but there is _one_ administration official who does not actually have Trump as his boss, and who would also have the most to gain from a situation where Trump had to leave early. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-probe-reaches-white-house/787025/86 "2017-05-20T11:10:30Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I don’t know if you realise it, but impeaching Pence would have to be an entirely different process than impeaching Trump. A pile of maybes is not going to be brought forward by a Republican House and Senate to impeach the VP directly before or after impeaching Trump. That’s simply fantasy land. If Trump is actually removed from office and the whole administration appeared to be complicit/involved–like arrests of members of the inner circle–there would be enormous pressure on Pence to resign. As appalling as I think Ryan Presidency would be, I tend to think that anyone getting the office that way would be fairly powerless. Everything would be in total disarray and everyone would be terrified about the up-coming elections. That’s not an atmosphere to push an aggressive agenda–party discipline would be a mess. And after 2018, who knows? I’m sure Ryan wants to be president someday, but this path is literally his worst nightmare. It’s the end of that dream, not the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-probe-reaches-white-house/787025/87 "2017-05-20T12:02:19Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > \I doubt that Ivanka would be guilty of anything that Jared isn’t, and the guy is always the one who takes the fall, so she’s probably safe. > \ I’ll bite the bullet, fellow **Dopers** , and be the one to console Ivanka in her time of need. No need to thank me. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-probe-reaches-white-house/787025/88 "2017-05-20T12:29:10Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > If Trump is actually removed from office and the whole administration appeared to be complicit/involved–like arrests of members of the inner circle–there would be enormous pressure on Pence to resign. > > As appalling as I think Ryan Presidency would be, I tend to think that anyone getting the office that way would be fairly powerless. Everything would be in total disarray and everyone would be terrified about the up-coming elections. That’s not an atmosphere to push an aggressive agenda–party discipline would be a mess. And after 2018, who knows? > > I’m sure Ryan wants to be president someday, but this path is literally his worst nightmare. It’s the end of that dream, not the beginning. Not to mention, if Ryan were to somehow attain office that way, the GOP would be a disgraced brand as a whole. It’s one thing to have President Trump, who won with a plurality, be forced from office. But if this investigation implicates numerous others like Pence, like Sessions, like Tillerson, and even congressmen like Nunes who were complicit in trying to stonewall the congressional investigations…the party would be seriously damaged in a run up to 2018’s elections. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-probe-reaches-white-house/787025.md?page=4)