# Russia/US UNSC Deal Reached - what it it means for masterful US President and Sec of State legacy. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 14, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852 "2013-09-14T17:20:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/261 "2013-09-26T18:04:51Z")
BTW: [YouGov poll](http://today.yougov.com/news/2013/09/25/americans-doubt-obamas-effectiveness-syria/) of Americans: “Which world leader was most effective during the Syrian chemical weapons crisis?” Putin: 49% Obama: 25% “Which world leader was the least effective during the Syrian chemical weapons crisis?” Obama: 44% (all others score less than 17%) “Do you approve or disapprove of the way President Obama is handling the situation in Syria?” Approve: 30% Disapprove: 54% Yep. “Masterful” Obama. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/262 "2013-09-26T18:16:47Z")
Am I the only one here who never heard of them before? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/263 "2013-09-26T18:22:27Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Am I the only one here who never heard of them before? YouGov? You are. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/07/which-pollsters-to-trust-in-one-chart/](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/07/which-pollsters-to-trust-in-one-chart/) One thing we’ve learned this election is that averaging polling data gets you pretty close to an accurate prediction. But particular polls are often badly off. According to Fordham’s Costas Panagopoulos, some of the least accurate polls came from surprising sources. Gallup, Rasmussen and NPR were among the worst, whereas **YouGov** , PPP and Ipsos/Reuters all nailed it: ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/264 "2013-09-26T18:32:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Am I the only one here who never heard of them before? well you’re the one making jokes about what happened in Benghazi like that somehow makes it all OK. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/265 "2013-09-26T19:37:25Z")
No, I’m just quaking in fear about those bombshell revelations that Darryl Asssore is going to release _real_ soon. Pretty soon. In a while. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/266 "2013-09-27T02:00:50Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > BTW: [YouGov poll](http://today.yougov.com/news/2013/09/25/americans-doubt-obamas-effectiveness-syria/) of Americans: > > “Which world leader was most effective during the Syrian chemical weapons crisis?” > T > Putin: 49% > Obama: 25% > > “Which world leader was the least effective during the Syrian chemical weapons crisis?” > > Obama: 44% > (all others score less than 17%) > > “Do you approve or disapprove of the way President Obama is handling the situation in Syria?” > > Approve: 30% > Disapprove: 54% > Yep. “Masterful” Obama. The usual anti-war lefties climbed into bed with Obama hating Tea Bag Hatted morons to take their anger out on Obama. It takes about 90 days for Lefty Obama rage to pass. When the reality that this has produced dismantling of Assad’s arsenal and CW are not used again, the lefty s will be to normal. The MuggWumps too will abandon the tea party hags and grumpy old white men and finally figure out what many of us know. Obama has achieved a masterful use of power to get what he wanted. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/267 "2013-09-27T03:23:18Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > BTW: [YouGov poll](http://today.yougov.com/news/2013/09/25/americans-doubt-obamas-effectiveness-syria/) of Americans: > > “Which world leader was most effective during the Syrian chemical weapons crisis?” > > Putin: 49% > Obama: 25% > > “Which world leader was the least effective during the Syrian chemical weapons crisis?” > > Obama: 44% > (all others score less than 17%) > > “Do you approve or disapprove of the way President Obama is handling the situation in Syria?” > > Approve: 30% > Disapprove: 54% > Yep. “Masterful” Obama. Yes, whenever I want keen political analysis, I look for a poll of the dumbass American people, who are still struggling with the idea of someone born in Hawaii being a citizen, let alone finding Syria on a map. I am so glad we have someone in the White House who is willing to take a win for the US without worrying about who gets the credit. Bush would have attacked Syria, because “it would have shown weakness” to not attack, the same rationale that “serious thinkers” gave for invading Iraq: once the troops are staged on the border, you just have to attack. Never mind that the UN inspectors are reporting zero WMDs and proactive cooperation. Ironic, and sad, that we have huge breakthroughs with Syria and Iran, while the Republican leadership is being more stupid and stubborn than ever. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/268 "2013-09-27T03:38:30Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Obama has achieved a masterful use of power to get what he wanted. Putin didn’t have to raise a finger. Played Obama like a fiddle. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/269 "2013-09-27T04:12:19Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Putin didn’t have to raise a finger. Played Obama like a fiddle. My god, you’re right. Quick, let’s invade somebody. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/270 "2013-09-27T06:13:23Z")
France. We still have the maps, and roads haven’t been improved since the last time we used them. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/271 "2013-09-27T06:26:32Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Putin didn’t have to raise a finger. Played Obama like a fiddle. > [@TonySinclair](#): > > My god, you’re right. Quick, let’s invade somebody. Exactly! If this is fiddle music, I’m all for more of it! Does it matter whether a Russian manages to get something right once in a while? (Putin’s domestic human rights violations are nothing to be proud of…) If it saves lives, preserves peace, and maybe even gets rid of Syria’s chemical weapons, I don’t give a damn if Michele Bachmann was responsible: it’s a triumph of diplomacy over missiles. (And strengthens and further legitimizes the U.N., too. Yay!) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/272 "2013-09-27T06:33:34Z")
Oh? And will you still be saying that when the black helicopters come for your guns and your women? Or you, if you are one? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/273 "2013-09-27T10:11:43Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Putin didn’t have to raise a finger. Played Obama like a fiddle. What did Putin gain? Global recognition that he controls a mass murderer and he waited two years to finally bring his subject to do something good only after Obama and pretty much Obama alone threatened and still threatened to strike Putin’s evil doer with punitive air strikes. But tell me what Obama lost or gave up or conceded on the world stage? Was it Putin or Obama that admits the ties he has to Assad murderous regime? “Which world leader was most effective during the Syrian chemical weapons crisis?” Think people think. Putin controls the mass murderer - not Obama? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/274 "2013-09-27T10:34:56Z")
“Which world leader was most effective during the Syrian chemical weapons crisis?” Was Putin or Obama the most effective leader at projecting their nation on the side of moral goodness and the betterment of mankind and bringing the community of civilized nations together to begin a much needed resolution to the Syrian chemical weapons crisis? Knowing that Putin was firmly against the resolution for years but reversed his position, how would you honestly respond to that? And if your answer is Putin, take a shot at explaining that. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/275 "2013-09-27T11:03:13Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yep. I should do the investigation. Not Obama administration. Gotcha. You know nothing. Gotcha. And Obama already started the investigation and warrants have been signed. The hunt is on. If the authorities can’t serve them in person perhaps a drone strike will? So you had nothing to do with this investigation? > [@](#): > > Reports circulated Tuesday that the U.S. Justice Department has filed charges against Ahmed Khattalah, the leader of a violent Libyan militia believed to have carried out the attack on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi last September. His whereabouts are not publicly known, and it is unclear whether the Libyan government can detain him for prosecution. > > [http://mobile.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/08/07/us-charges-for-benghazi-attack-suspect-open-us-options](http://mobile.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/08/07/us-charges-for-benghazi-attack-suspect-open-us-options) > > U.S. Charges for Benghazi Attack Suspect Open U.S. Options > By Paul D. Shinkman | August 7, 2013 Gotcha! ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/276 "2013-09-27T13:18:11Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > You know nothing. Gotcha. And Obama already started the investigation and warrants have been signed. Strongly worded letter to follow, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/277 "2013-09-27T19:31:54Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Strongly worded letter to follow, I’m sure. Delivered by Seal Team Six. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/278 "2013-09-27T22:04:10Z")
You don’t really think Obama had anything to do with wasting ObL, do you? Everybody knows it was Chuck Norris. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/279 "2013-09-27T23:17:25Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Obama has achieved a masterful use of power to get what he wanted. > [@Magiver](#): > > Putin didn’t have to raise a finger. Played Obama like a fiddle. How does Putin play Obama like a fiddle when it was Obama that had the power and used it to get what he wanted? If Putin was playing a fiddle, it was Obama playing about two hundred Tomahawks. > [@](#): > > **Syria: US missile strikes could do more damage than west had believed** Analysts and defectors suggest war-weary troops and ageing equipment mean even limited strikes could have major effect. By Peter Beaumont in Amman The Observer, Saturday 31 August 2013 14.52 EDT > [Syria: US missile strikes could do more damage than west had believed | Syria | The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/31/syria-military-us-missile-strikes) Despite what Magiver says, I’ll take the guy with the Tomahawk over the guy playing a fiddle. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/280 "2013-09-27T23:37:07Z")
Masterful achievement for Obama/Kerry/US Military might. For Innocent civilians the fear of being gassed to death by their government in Syria is now extremely greatly reduced. > [@](#): > > \*\*Syria Disarmament Plan Approved By Organization For Prohibition Of Chemical Weapons \*\*By MIKE CORDER 09/27/13 07:00 PM ET EDT AP > THE HAGUE, Netherlands — The world’s chemical weapons watchdog has approved a disarmament plan for Syria. > > The decision late Friday paves the way for the U.N. Security Council to adopt a resolution enshrining the plan, which will make it legally binding. > > The resolution, already agreed on by the five veto-wielding members, is expected to pass easily, breaking a nearly three-year deadlock on the council, which had been deeply divided on Syria. Things are moving about 100 times faster than Terr’s terr-ibble predictions I see. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852.md?page=15)