# Russia/US UNSC Deal Reached - what it it means for masterful US President and Sec of State legacy. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 14, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852 "2013-09-14T17:20:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/321 "2013-09-29T02:52:29Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There’s nothing hidden about it. It states outright that members could act against Iraq if the UN did not. No such statement exists in the Syrian resolution. Members can act when they want to even if the UNSC does not authorize it. That’s why Kofi Anan said Bush’s invasion of Iraq was illegal. So why did you write in one of your Obama dissing arguments that Bush had UN support for the US invasion of Iraq in March 2003? Does there really have to be such a statement in the Syria Resolution. Israel and Turkey are member states… if Syria’s CW are used against them during this dismantling they can act against Syria to defend against an imminent threat. What threat was Iraq to anyone when Bush decided to invade? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/322 "2013-09-29T03:22:00Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Members can act when they want to even if the UNSC does not authorize it. That’s why Kofi Anan said Bush’s invasion of Iraq was illegal. So why did you write in one of your Obama dissing arguments that Bush had UN support for the US invasion of Iraq in March 2003? because the line added to the resolution expressly sanctioned it and that’s why it was added in the first place. Kofi’s full of shit. > [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Does there really have to be such a statement in the Syria Resolution. Israel and Turkey are member states… if Syria’s CW are used against them during this dismantling they can act against Syria to defend against an imminent threat. > > What threat was Iraq to anyone when Bush decided to invade? Other than attacking Kurds to the North and Shia’s to the South and Kuwait to the East and the occasional war with Iran. Maybe you’re too young to remember he used CW’s. And I’ll just keep repeating that Bush had all the support he asked for and Obama had none at the time he drew his line and he still has none. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/323 "2013-09-29T06:09:02Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > And I’ll just keep repeating that Bush had all the support he asked for and Obama had none at the time he drew his line and he still has none. All that’s been accomplished the past two weeks with regard to Syria and Russia is wholly credited to Obama then because as you say he had no support. Thank you for recognizing the historical importance of Obama’s profile in courage to take the tough road alone in order to make the world safer for all mankind. You know you needed to drop the Obama had no support diss line the moment Putin told Kerry that Russia was ready to do what Obama wanted. That line does not work anymore. You needed Putin to stand firm thus putting pressure on Obama to see what trouble he’d get into at home if he struck Syria without Congress and popular backing. But Putin caved. Drop the line. It makes no sense now. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/324 "2013-09-29T06:25:21Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > All that’s been accomplished the past two weeks with regard to Syria and Russia is wholly credited to Obama… Whoa, steady up, there, big fella. That just isn’t possible. As much as I sympathize with your side of this, ah, “argument” that just can’t be. We have to at least credit one or two other players here with not doing anything incredibly stupid. And while it may well be that Obama has a lot of popularity in other countries, I don’t thing anybody has _that_ much! Dial it back down to ten. ---
**Author:** ![Werekoala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7993a0/32.png) [@Werekoala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Werekoala)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/325 "2013-09-29T07:34:54Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Thank you for recognizing the historical importance of Obama’s profile in courage to take the tough road alone in order to make the world safer for all mankind. Hyperbole much? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/326 "2013-09-29T12:03:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Whoa, steady up, there, big fella. That just isn’t possible. As much as I sympathize with your side of this, ah, “argument” that just can’t be. We have to at least credit one or two other players here with not doing anything incredibly stupid. > > And while it may well be that Obama has a lot of popularity in other countries, I don’t thing anybody has _that_ much! Dial it back down to ten. > [@Werekoala](#): > > Hyperbole much? > > :rolleyes: Can we get away from snippet vs snippet discussions? Pulling one statement I made without tying to what I was responding to. Here’s what I was responding to: > [@](#): > > And I’ll just keep repeating that Bush had all the support he asked for and Obama had none at the time he drew his line and he still has none. -Originally Posted by Magiver And then Elucidator cuts the following words off the end of my sentence. “… then because as you say he had no support.” Here’s the entire statement that Elucdator chose to butcher and toss out the meaningful part: “All that’s been accomplished the past two weeks with regard to Syria and Russia is wholly credited to Obama then because as you say he had no support.” Perhaps it was late and I needed to explain it using primary school grammar. Magiver says Obama had ‘no’ support, that is zero support, that is nobody else in the entire world supported Obama’s intent to launch punitive strikes agsinst Assad’s regime. Now hold that thought. Now add this to that one: Magiver says that GW Bush had all the support from the world he asked for to invade and occupy Iraq. Now here is where it apparently got tricky for Elicidator and Werekoala. I used the word ‘then’ which links those to statements they needed to hold in memory to understand my response. You see ‘then’ can mean stuff like 'if those two statements are true, ‘then’ this would be the case and also be true. So what you need to do boys and girls is keep the entire thought tied to such complicated words as ‘if’ as in ‘if true’ and ‘then’ as in ‘if that is true then thus would be true’. Do you all understand how that work Good. Then we can proceed with much better understanding of how language works and what people mean when they use the word ‘then’ and ‘if’. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/327 "2013-09-29T12:27:20Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And while it may well be that Obama has a lot of popularity in other countries, I don’t thing anybody has _that_ much! Dial it back down to ten. And you must have entirely missed the point I am making to Magiver’s unfounded and bigus impression that Obama had no support at all to put a red line out there and then follow up when it was crossed. That point being that what Obama intended to do was indeed unpopular I think you would agree. So my point did not have anything to do with whether Obama himself was popular or not. It was about a leader doing an unpopular thing and for that when the results of doing something against the will of the majority works out as well as this crisis being resolved over the next 18 months (knock on wood) looks like where we are headed, then much of the credit rightfully goes to the one leader that led the very unpopular charge. But of course what Magiver claims is factually challenged because many have stood with Obama and I have mentioned them here. Cameron, the French President, Netanyahu, and I have credited Republican leaders like Cantor and Boehner for their support. They all get credit for the results we are seeing. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/328 "2013-10-01T16:28:59Z")
Where did Chappachula go after predicting this: > [@chappachula](#): > > Yeah, so far so good… > But “So far” is, what?–a whole 15 hours now? > > As for monitoring: There is a nice, specific timetable for doing lots of good things. But the only punishment mentioned in the agreement for not meeting that timetable is -gasp!-(play scary music)—passing a resolution at the UN. > We’re talking about a ruthless dictator who is fighting for his life. He knows that the UN will never pass any serious resolution against him, because Russia has veto powers at the Securtiy Council. > > So—I predict: > 1.According to the timetable, UN inspectors will arrive in Syria next week. > Not according to the timetable, they will be shot at repeatedly by snipers. > > 1. The UN will spend 6 months debating how to protect the inspectors, which nations will send their soldiers to create a UN force, etc. Then another 6 months to debate whether that blue-helmeted force will be allowed to carry weapons, or just act as observers. > > 2. Assad will build entire new bunkers , visible to US satelites, to hide his chemical weapons. But of course, the bunkers are only storage facilities for a baby food manufacturer, and they were not mentioned in the original UN resolution, so they are off limits to UN inspectors. > > 3. Eventually,(2 years from now?) one small box holding 5 chemical artillery shells will be “discovered”, because Assad brought it out of the bunker for the purpose of letting the inspectors have something to do. > > 4a. The New York Times will report that some chemical weapons has been discovered. > 4b. At 8:00 pm, CNN will show graphic powerpoint charts listing each artillery shell and it’s potential kill radius. > 4c. At 9:00 pm, The world press will begin referring to Assad’s “cache” of chemical weapons > 4d. By 10 pm the “cache” will be referred to as “Assad’s last remaining cache” of chemical weapons. > > 1. The now-famouse “last remaining cache” of weapons will be displayed on TV as it is loaded onto a ship bound for Russia, to be dismantled by experts. > 5a. The world press will be announce that the cache contained the only known chemical weapons left in Assad’s possession, and all of them were dismantled > > 2. The NY Times will say how wonderful it is to see the world and the UN acting so decisively. > > 3. All sides will declare that Assad has fullfilled the UN’s requriements, the problem is solved **forever.** > > 4. Assad will decide not to use his remaining chemical weapons, at least for a few more months. > > 5. Assad will instead attack Israel. > > 6. Israel will respond with a few bombs on Damasus and Assad’s air bases. 10 Scud missile launchers will be destroyed, 100 Syrian soldiers will die, and one bomb falls on a private home, killing 5 children. > > 7. The world will condemn Israel for being the agressor and bombing children of a poor, innocent nation which poses no threat because it **no longer has any chemical weapons** because of the great diplomacy of Obama. > > 8. Israeli intelligence will release photos of Assad’s chemical weapons. > > 9. The world will ignore the photos --which are obviously fake, because Obama was such a great Diplomat of Peace. > and then they will condemn Israel for using the photos to try to distract attention from its cruel and intentional bombing of those 5 children. Here’s some reality current and up to date: > [@](#): > > UN Specialists Begin Mission To Quickly Dismantle Syria’s Chemical Weapons > > DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) – Inspectors charged with the enormous task of overseeing the destruction of Syria’s deadly chemical weapons stockpiles kicked off their mission Monday, racing to meet tight deadlines against the backdrop of civil war. > > [UN Specialists Begin Mission To Quickly Dismantle Syria’s Chemical Weapons - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/un-specialists-begin-dangerous-mission-to-quickly-dismantle-syria-s-chemical-weapons) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/329 "2013-10-01T16:59:06Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Thank you for recognizing the historical importance of Obama’s profile in courage to take the tough road alone in order to make the world safer for all mankind. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. OMG that was funny. “Obama’s profile in courage”. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/330 "2013-10-01T22:38:45Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > because the line added to the resolution expressly sanctioned it and that’s why it was added in the first place. Kofi’s full of shit. Again where does 1441 mention anything that could be interpreted that a majority of UNSC members that ‘sanctioned’ Bush’s bombing and ground invasion of Iraq. You have misread and misinterpreted the two words ‘not constrain’ and use that error of reason and judgment to call Kofi Annan full of shit. We do not constrain you and you do not constrain yourself from being wrong, but that does not mean anyone who can read 1441’s language, supports or approves or sanctions you and your error. But keep it up, I’m glad you are not constrained. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/331 "2013-10-02T02:54:45Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Again where does 1441 mention anything that could be interpreted that a majority of UNSC members that ‘sanctioned’ Bush’s bombing and ground invasion of Iraq. I cited the relevant passage that allowed military intervention. Your sentence structure makes no sense but it appears to be an attempt to move the goal posts. ---
**Author:** ![Werekoala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7993a0/32.png) [@Werekoala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Werekoala)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/332 "2013-10-02T03:40:53Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. > > OMG that was funny. “Obama’s profile in courage”. Racist. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/333 "2013-10-03T03:22:42Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I cited the relevant passage that allowed military intervention. Your sentence structure makes no sense but it appears to be an attempt to move the goal posts. Your original statement was that the UNSC ‘authorized’ Bush to kick the inspectors out and bomb and invade Iraq in March 2003. Your new replacement word for ‘not constrain’ is shifty but not accurate. You ignore the language that precedes the ‘not constrain’ language in the paragraphs you cited in order to falsly claim that the UNSC authorized the war. Your cite clearly stated that 1441 contains no hidden trigger and no automaticity for war, but you cannot admit that your cite is accurate. You won’t read and accept as a fact what is written in your original cite. Therefore you need to find a new cite that makes it clear that the UNSC ‘authorized’ the US invasion of Iraq. You said authorized so let’s have a cite that says war was authorized by the UNSC although Kofi Annan clearly says it was not, just like everbody else who knows what they are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/334 "2013-10-03T03:39:06Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > nothing stands. There is no list. What are the inspectors looking at then Magiver. You claimed to know that there was no list. Was your source wrong? You need to find better sources. ‘Information provided’ sounds like the list exists or does your source tell you that OPCW officials are also full of shit like you say Kofi Annan is? [QUOTE] . The United States threatened military action in response, accusing forces loyal to Assad of deliberately killing hundreds of civilians with rocket-delivered nerve agents. Syria denied the allegations, but agreed to relinquish its chemical arsenal, effectively heading off a strike, under a US-Russian deal which was enshrined in the landmark UN resolution. “At this point, we have absolutely no reason to doubt the information provided by the Syrian regime,” an OPCW official said on Sunday. > [@Magiver](#): > > nothing stands. There is no list. What are the inspectors looking at then Magiver. You claimed to know that there was no list. Was your source wrong? You need to find better sources. ‘Information provided’ sounds like the list exists or does your source tell you that OPCW officials are also full of shit like you say Kofi Annan is? > [@](#): > > . The United States threatened military action in response, accusing forces loyal to Assad of deliberately killing hundreds of civilians with rocket-delivered nerve agents. > > Syria denied the allegations, but agreed to relinquish its chemical arsenal, effectively heading off a strike, under a US-Russian deal which was enshrined in the landmark UN resolution. > > “At this point, we have absolutely no reason to doubt the information provided by the Syrian regime,” an OPCW official said on Sunday. > > [Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera](http://m.aljazeera.com/story/20131018223931432) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/335 "2013-10-03T08:08:57Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Your original statement was that the UNSC ‘authorized’ Bush to kick the inspectors out and bomb and invade Iraq in March 2003. Your new replacement word for ‘not constrain’ is shifty but not accurate. I didn’t replace anything. That’s the language that was specifically put it for the express purpose of attacking Iraq if they failed to comply. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/336 "2013-10-03T08:18:58Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > What are the inspectors looking at then Magiver. You claimed to know that there was no list. Was your source wrong? You need to find better sources. Lets review the current situation. Putin, the supplier of weapons for Assad who is his puppet in the region, has agreed to remove the weapons based on a list provided by… Assad. the UN resolution that Putin pushed through does not allow for military action if this does not go as planned. Putin is in charge of the chicken coop. Best case scenario, he sells more conventional weapons to Assad than CW’s in the future and the circle of death continues. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/337 "2013-10-03T15:19:17Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I didn’t replace anything. That’s the language that was specifically put it for the express purpose of attacking Iraq if they failed to comply. Iraq did not fail to comply. You are wholesale fooled by Dubya. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/338 "2013-10-03T15:32:57Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Lets review the current situation. Putin, the supplier of weapons for Assad who is his puppet in the region, has agreed to remove the weapons based on a list provided by… Assad. the UN resolution that Putin pushed through does not allow for military action if this does not go as planned. Putin is in charge of the chicken coop. > > Best case scenario, he sells more conventional weapons to Assad than CW’s in the future and the circle of death continues. But you originally claimed there was no list. Now you say there is a list. So you were wrong before? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/339 "2013-10-03T17:23:50Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Iraq did not fail to comply. You are wholesale fooled by Dubya. [repeatedly refused to work with inspectors](http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_10/iraqspecialoct02). ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/340 "2013-10-03T17:28:03Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > But you originally claimed there was no list. Now you say there is a list. So you were wrong before? A list made by Assad and used by Putin has all the verifiability as one made by North Korea. How’d that work out? Neville Chamberlain would call it a list. I don’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852.md?page=18)