# Russia/US UNSC Deal Reached - what it it means for masterful US President and Sec of State legacy. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 14, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852 "2013-09-14T17:20:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2014, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/841 "2014-02-28T23:30:46Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > As far as I can understand you (admittedly not very far) you are arguing that the CW disarmament came about because Obama threatened air strikes. Actually I am giving you a fact. Putin changed his position after Obama made the threat to bomb targets in Syria. That is a fact. There is a correlation there that you cannot deny. As to the amount of fear Putin had… he could have had none. But Putin certainly could know that once even a limited military engagement gets started it could lead to other things … serious for the regime and his ally. No need to take the chance if Kerry’s suggestion was true… Strikes could be avoided if… Lavrov picked up the phone so fast to say yes it is obvious that Kerry’s words prompted Putin to act. Putin also has been making commercial and trade deals with Israel. Netanyahu was concerned very much about the CW being dispersed among Israelis enemies during the civil war. Putin could have gotten a nudge from that too. Netanyahu supported Obama doing the stikes… That could have bothered Putin a bit too. I am not saying the threat was the only factor, I’m saying it was a major contributing factor for Putin to change position. Its that fact that he changed his position that matters. It is a more absurd to suggest the threat of strikes had nothing to do with it. That makes absolutely no sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/842 "2014-03-01T04:41:46Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Leadership is the courage to lead even when no one else dares to do it. Who is he leading exactly? Obama, party of one. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/843 "2014-03-01T04:51:02Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Who is he leading exactly? Obama, party of one. The US military Army. Air Force, Navy and US Marines to name s few. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/844 "2014-03-01T04:54:18Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Actually I am giving you a fact. Putin changed his position after Obama made the threat to bomb targets in Syria. That is a fact. If that’s a fact then where are the CW’s? Doesn’t look like he’s invested much effort into it. He did put some effort into an agreement that no action be taken if things don’t go as planned. Which Obama signed. Nothing has changed and Assad is busy doing what Assad does best. With Putin’s blessing and Obama’s signature. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/845 "2014-03-01T05:10:28Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > The US military Army. Air Force, Navy and US Marines to name s few. which he doesn’t have the authority to use to wage war. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/846 "2014-03-01T05:19:03Z")
Remember that conversation regarding the safety of CW’s away from their military locations and the possibility of the convoys being attacked? [They’ve been attacked](http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/28/us-syria-crisis-chemicals-idUSBREA1Q2D920140228). Another event predicted ahead of time. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/847 "2014-03-05T23:21:16Z")
One third of CW arsenal has been transferred or destroyed - four months remain to complete the rest of the transfer or destruction ‘safely’ as safe as possible in a war zone and on schedule. > [@](#): > > In a new posting made on Tuesday, Kaag added that about one-third of the Syrian government’s stockpiles of chemical weapons have so far been removed or destroyed. “Momentum to continue!” > **[Syrian General Defends Delays In Chemical Weapons Turnover](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/syria-chemical-weapons_n_4895511)** > > Syrian General Defends Delays In Chemical Weapons Turnover ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/848 "2014-03-05T23:28:25Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Remember that conversation regarding the safety of CW’s away from their military locations and the possibility of the convoys being attacked? [They’ve been attacked](http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/28/us-syria-crisis-chemicals-idUSBREA1Q2D920140228). Another event predicted ahead of time. Wrong - the report ckearly says: (no need to rephrase it) Syria says two attempted attacks on chemical weapons convoys: U.N. By Michelle Nichols and Louis Charbonneau UNITED NATIONS | Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:52pm EST Do you know what ‘attempted’ means? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/849 "2014-03-05T23:41:01Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > which he doesn’t have the authority to use to wage war. He can order strikes and whatever he wants ir decides for sixty days. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/850 "2014-03-06T05:46:18Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > He can order strikes and whatever he wants ir decides for sixty days. BFD. He can’t stop the war. He doesn’t have the capacity to do so. What don’t you understand about this? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/851 "2014-03-06T05:47:49Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Wrong - the report ckearly says: (no need to rephrase it) > > Syria says two attempted attacks on chemical weapons convoys: U.N. > By Michelle Nichols and Louis Charbonneau > UNITED NATIONS | Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:52pm EST > > Do you know what ‘attempted’ means? Yes I know what it means. When they’re moved outside a base they are more vulnerable. What don’t you understand about this? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/852 "2014-03-06T05:54:03Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > One third of CW arsenal has been transferred or destroyed - four months remain to complete the rest of the transfer or destruction ‘safely’ as safe as possible in a war zone and on schedule. > > [Syrian General Defends Delays In Chemical Weapons Turnover | HuffPost The World Post](http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4895511/) It’s taken how many months? And we know this is one third of what he has because…? Masterful inspectors? Assads word? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/853 "2014-03-06T09:22:50Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s taken how many months? And we know this is one third of what he has because…? Masterful inspectors? Assads word? They have set a goal of about six months to complete the elimination of CW from a war zone. Two months of time has passed. That is one third of the time since ships were prepared to take it. That have moved or destroyed one third of the stockpile in five convoys that must take about a day or two to complete a cycle. Five shipments down ten to go - four months to do it. Do the math. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/854 "2014-03-06T09:42:52Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > BFD. He can’t stop the war. He doesn’t have the capacity to do so. What don’t you understand about this? When did Obama draw a red line to stop the war? What are you telling me to understand? I understand the truth about what is going on in Syria. I understand removing 1300 Tons of CW from a war zone makes an effort to remove Assad from command and control of such deadly weapons removes one hard issue in any ongoing efforts to end the civil war. It surely does not make finding an end to the crisis more difficult. And it is absurd to suggest it will have no impact. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/855 "2014-03-06T09:47:45Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s taken how many months? And we know this is one third of what he has because…? Masterful inspectors? Assads word? I see the birth of a CT argument forming against the OPCW, UNSC, Russia, US and Syria and all other nations supporting this effort, to lie to us about how much CW has been destroyed and removed. Is that where you are going with your (…because…?) Only a third done and here we go. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/856 "2014-03-06T10:03:35Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Yes I know what it means. When they’re moved outside a base they are more vulnerable. What don’t you understand about this? Apparently you don’t understand the contents in the link you posted: > [@](#): > > “In addition, Syrian authorities indicated that ongoing military activities rendered two sites inaccessible during most of the reporting period,” the five-page report said. > > This delayed “in-country destruction of the final quantities of isopropanol, preventing some activities to consolidate chemical material into a reduced number of locations, and preventing the physical verification of chemical material prior to movement on 27 January 2014.” > > Isopropanol is one of two key ingredients for sarin. It is military activities at the fixed sites that have caused much of the delays. The ‘in country destruction’ that you think is safer. You should realize how bad posting a link that shows how wrong your argument is should cause you to drop it. Creating a CT does however makes more sense to you now. The OPCW must be lying to help Obama - the CW are not really being removed - is that where this is going? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/857 "2014-03-07T04:56:40Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Apparently you don’t understand the contents in the link you posted: > > It is military activities at the fixed sites that have caused much of the delays. The ‘in country destruction’ that you think is safer. It’s the civil war. Which I predicted many pages ago. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/858 "2014-03-07T18:49:18Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s the civil war. Which I predicted many pages ago. Weren’t you saying the fixed sites were easier to defend so it was stupid to move the CW for destruction. Do you know the difference between an attack and an attempted attack? Magiver predicted the civil war in Syria. Wow! How many pages ago was that! ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2014, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/859 "2014-03-16T06:59:13Z")
Even the brink of WWIII can’t stop Assad’s arsenal of chemical weapons from being destroyed 'SAFELY" in the middle of a civil war: > [@](#): > > Chemical weapons to be destroyed outside Syria could be gone by April 13: Russia’s RIA Reuters News | Mar 14, 2014 MOSCOW (Reuters) - Syria’s chemical weapons that should be destroyed outside the country could be removed by April 13, a Russian Foreign Ministry official said on Friday, adding there was no need to adjust the timeframe. > > “If there are no difficulties then in a month, on April 13, the removal will be practically finished,” Mikhail Ulyanov, head of the Foreign Ministry’s security and disarmament department, was quoted as saying by RIA news agency. Read More: [Audio - SRN News](http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2014/03/14/chemical-weapons-to-be-destroyed-outside-syria-could-be-gone-by-april-13-russias-ria-n1808953) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-us-unsc-deal-reached-what-it-it-means-for-masterful-us-president-and-sec-of-state-legacy/668852/860 "2014-03-17T11:23:31Z")
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