# Russia without Marxist Comunism WWI til now - how different would history be? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 22, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-without-marxist-comunism-wwi-til-now-how-different-would-history-be/749818 "2016-03-22T02:32:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-without-marxist-comunism-wwi-til-now-how-different-would-history-be/749818/21 "2016-04-12T18:43:29Z")
What was the system called when Nicholas II consented to a Dumas? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-without-marxist-comunism-wwi-til-now-how-different-would-history-be/749818/22 "2016-04-12T19:29:18Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What do you base that on? The February Revolution happened mainly because the Romanov Dynasty was so very thoroughly discredited. Who said anything about the monarch being a Romanov? Britain asked William of Orange. Sweden asked a French general. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-without-marxist-comunism-wwi-til-now-how-different-would-history-be/749818/23 "2016-04-12T20:15:33Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Who said anything about the monarch being a Romanov? Britain asked William of Orange. Sweden asked a French general. They didn’t have folks like Ivan Grozny, Peter the Great or Alexander III to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-without-marxist-comunism-wwi-til-now-how-different-would-history-be/749818/24 "2016-04-12T20:54:58Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > What was the system called when Nicholas II consented to a Dumas? _L’Ancien Regime, ou, Le Grande Monarchie._ D’Artagnan played a prominent role as Lieutenant of the Tsar’s Musketeers. ---
**Author:** ![DagNation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@DagNation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DagNation)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-without-marxist-comunism-wwi-til-now-how-different-would-history-be/749818/25 "2016-04-19T01:39:49Z")
Thanks for the great info every one! > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You are assuming, it appears, that the February Revolution happens in 1917 but the October Revolution does not. The OP is assuming that Carl Marx had never published a book, and there was no Marxist communism to provide ideas - and the question is what would have filled that void, or how might things have gone differently without Marxism. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-without-marxist-comunism-wwi-til-now-how-different-would-history-be/749818/26 "2016-04-19T04:30:59Z")
So why did the Provisional Government continue the war with Germany? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-without-marxist-comunism-wwi-til-now-how-different-would-history-be/749818/27 "2016-04-19T13:56:02Z")
> [@DagNation](#): > > The OP is assuming that Carl Marx had never published a book, and there was no Marxist communism to provide ideas - . . . Marx did not invent socialism. The movement existed before he joined it. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-without-marxist-comunism-wwi-til-now-how-different-would-history-be/749818/28 "2016-04-19T14:07:33Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > So why did the Provisional Government continue the war with Germany? It’s a bit murky, but my own guesses are that they felt that military victory would cement their position, they were going to (in theory) annex large parts of Ottoman Turkey, and they were being urged by the other western powers they were allied with to continue the war with the carrot being recognition of whatever government finally coalesced when they solidified power. It was a huge mistake and one that ended up costing them everything. The war was extremely unpopular, and though initially they did well against the Austrians, once the Germans focused on them the army was basically shattered, with a large percentage of them deserting and taking themselves and their weapons home…as well as a huge chip on their shoulders not only for being asked to continue to fight the war but because the PG had many soldiers caught deserting executed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-without-marxist-comunism-wwi-til-now-how-different-would-history-be/749818.md?page=1)