# Russian ambassador assassinated in Turkey **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 19, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154 "2016-12-19T17:32:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/21 "2016-12-19T20:20:29Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Truck [plows](http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/berlin-christmas-market-truck/index.html?adkey=bn) into a Christmas market in Berlin. According to the news from Spanish television, there are 9 dead and dozens injured. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/22 "2016-12-19T20:49:40Z")
[Stark images](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/world/europe/russia-ambassador-shot-ankara-turkey-report.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-2&action=click&contentCollection=Europe®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article) of shooting of Russian ambassador. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/23 "2016-12-19T21:00:53Z")
Russia has first hand experience dealing with Muslim extremists in some of their territories. Hopefully, they’ll realize there was nothing Turkey could have done. Anybody can be radicalized without their colleagues or bosses knowing. I’m sure we are in for a few tense days. I just hope Russia doesn’t over react. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/24 "2016-12-19T21:07:02Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > [Stark images](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/world/europe/russia-ambassador-shot-ankara-turkey-report.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-2&action=click&contentCollection=Europe®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article) of shooting of Russian ambassador. Where’s the photos of the dead terrorist? If they show the Russian Ambassador’s body then it would be respectful to show his dead killer too. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/25 "2016-12-19T21:18:54Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Where’s the photos of the dead terrorist? If they show the Russian Ambassador’s body then it would be respectful to show his dead killer too. Sorry, but WTF? “I want a dead picture of the killer, it’s only respectful”? What do you even mean by that? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/26 "2016-12-19T21:21:20Z")
**ace** , forgive me if I’m confusing you with someone else, but haven’t you said the media shouldn’t glorify nor give coverage to shooters? That they should be ignored by the media? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/27 "2016-12-19T21:22:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Where’s the photos of the dead terrorist? If they show the Russian Ambassador’s body then it would be respectful to show his dead killer too. It’s in the OP. (a link I did not click on earlier). Your point is what now? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/28 "2016-12-19T21:30:17Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Sorry, but WTF? > > “I want a dead picture of the killer, it’s only respectful”? > > What do you even mean by that? The Russian Ambassador was shown in a tasteless way. Think of the guy’s family and the Russian public. If you show the victim then of course they should show the killer too. Or, don’t show either. I’d prefer they didn’t show bodies, but that’s a decision the news editors have to make. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > **ace** , forgive me if I’m confusing you with someone else, but haven’t you said the media shouldn’t glorify nor give coverage to shooters? That they should be ignored by the media? I don’t recall saying that. They have to report the crime. But don’t exploit it for ratings. There’s a fine balance in reporting vs exploiting a story. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/29 "2016-12-19T21:32:58Z")
There has been a recent thaw in the relationship between Russia and Turkey. The Russian government doesn’t seem to be putting any blame on the Turkish government for the assassination. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/30 "2016-12-19T21:36:03Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > According to the BBC newsfeed (available here: [Live: Russian ambassador shot dead in Turkey - BBC News](http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-38370362) ), Erdogan and Putin were talking shortly after the attack, and a Russian spokesman said that this would not affect the relationship between Russia and Turkey: > > So, I guess that this will not particularly affect Russia-Turkey relations… And, given how Russia tends to react to these things, very likely there will be massive retaliatory bombardment of Aleppo and other rebel-held areas courtesy of the Russian military in Syria. And, given how Ergodan tends to react to these things, there will be another roundup of anyone even suspected of dissent. > [@aceplace57](#): > > Where’s the photos of the dead terrorist? If they show the Russian Ambassador’s body then it would be respectful to show his dead killer too. He was quite clearly NOT a terrorist, but an assassin. It takes more than being a Muslim who kills someone to be a terrorist. Anyway, I’m wondering if he off’ed himself, otherwise they probably would have showed him get gunned down. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/31 "2016-12-19T21:43:52Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > And, given how Ergodan tends to react to these things, there will be another roundup of anyone even suspected of dissent. > > He was quite clearly NOT a terrorist, but an assassin. It takes more than being a Muslim who kills someone to be a terrorist. > > Anyway, I’m wondering if he off’ed himself, otherwise they probably would have showed him get gunned down. There’s a video of him shouting something about giving an “oath to Mohammed to fight jihad”, along with the usual “God is great” bullshit. Also, looks like he was shot multiple times in the torso. So unlikely he did that to himself. Yeah… bunch of bullet holes in the wall next to him too. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/32 "2016-12-19T21:44:59Z")
Russia’s Foreign Ministry calls it a terror attack. Putin is quoted on TV as saying… “The only response we should offer to this murder is stepping up our fight against terror, and the criminals will feel the heat.” Which is very good news. It’s reassuring this won’t trigger retaliation against Turkey. > **[Russia's ambassador to Turkey assassinated in Ankara | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/turkey-russian-ambassador-shot/index.html)** > > Andrey Karlov, Russia's ambassador to Turkey, was assassinated Monday at an art exhibition in Ankara, Russia's foreign ministry said. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/33 "2016-12-19T21:48:52Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Russia’s Foreign Ministry calls it a terror attack. Putin is quoted on TV as saying… > “The only response we should offer to this murder is stepping up our fight against terror, and the criminals will feel the heat.” > > Which is very good news. It’s reassuring this won’t trigger retaliation against Turkey. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/turkey-russian-ambassador-shot/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/turkey-russian-ambassador-shot/index.html) Sounds like Aleppo is in for another round of bombing. Exellent news indeed. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/34 "2016-12-19T21:52:08Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > There’s a video of him shouting something about giving an “oath to Mohammed to fight jihad”, along with the usual “God is great” bullshit. > > Also, looks like he was shot multiple times in the torso. So unlikely he did that to himself. > > Yeah… bunch of bullet holes in the wall next to him too. Again, that doesn’t make him a terrorist. The same video shows him telling the other people that he meant them no harm and they are free to go. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/35 "2016-12-19T21:58:38Z")
Makes him a killer. A dead one at that. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/36 "2016-12-19T21:59:32Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The Russian Ambassador was shown in a tasteless way. Think of the guy’s family and the Russian public. If you show the victim then of course they should show the killer too. Or, don’t show either. I didn’t realize there was a tasteful way. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/37 "2016-12-19T22:00:17Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Sounds like Aleppo is in for another round of bombing. Exellent news indeed. :rolleyes: That was going to happen anyhow. The rebels and other armed factions refuse to surrender. So, there will be more air strikes until Assad’s forces secure the entire city. That’s basic military strategy in every war. “War is Hell”. William Tecumseh Sherman. That’s a separate issue from the Ambassador’s murder. I’m very thankful Russia sees that this provocation was intended to create tensions between these two powers. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/38 "2016-12-19T22:16:41Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > He was quite clearly NOT a terrorist, but an assassin. It takes more than being a Muslim who kills someone to be a terrorist. > [@voltaire](#): > > Again, that doesn’t make him a terrorist. The same video shows him telling the other people that he meant them no harm and they are free to go. I think this is a semantic issue. I’d say somebody is an assassin if they’re killing somebody because of political actions they took personally. A terrorist is somebody who attacks people as symbolic representatives of an organization or country they oppose. As far as I can tell at this point, Andrei Karlov wasn’t chosen because of his individual role in political events. He was targeted because he was the ambassador of Russia. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/39 "2016-12-19T22:30:40Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > A terrorist is somebody who attacks people as symbolic representatives of an organization or country they oppose. But he wasn’t just a “symbolic” representative. He was “the actual” representative of the country who this man apparently blamed for killing “his people” and he was specifically and exclusively targeted. Since words have meanings, he was quite clearly an assassin. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154/40 "2016-12-20T02:44:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There has been a recent thaw in the relationship between Russia and Turkey. The Russian government doesn’t seem to be putting any blame on the Turkish government for the assassination. If it turns out he was a member of some US backed “moderate”, then that would make thing very interesting very quickly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-assassinated-in-turkey/775154.md?page=3)