# Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak Appeared As Obama White House Visitor At Least 22 Times **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 3, 2017, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276 "2017-03-03T08:20:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![arfurvirus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@arfurvirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/arfurvirus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/1 "2017-03-03T08:20:42Z")
Rule one of the Leftists. Accuse everyone else of what you are really doing, we’ve seen the tactic repeatedly. [http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/02/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/](http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/02/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/) :eek::eek::eek: Let’s see the Commie media run with this one, you won’t hear a peep I’m sure, as well as the hundreds of Obama appointed holdovers in the federal government. 4d chess, Trump is playing it. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/2 "2017-03-03T08:24:23Z")
An ambassador meeting with a _sitting_ president’s staff? Well, that is _clearly_ completely and totally comparable to campaign staffers meeting with an ambassador in secret and lying to Congress about it. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/3 "2017-03-03T08:52:14Z")
Yeah, a senior Ambassador meeting a sitting president and it totally appearing on the public record. It’s an outrage 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/4 "2017-03-03T09:48:54Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > Rule one of the Leftists… > … the Commie media… it emerged from the musty old toy chest. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/5 "2017-03-03T10:12:21Z")
OP, you seem to be under the misapprehension that the controversy lies solely in the fact of the meetings and discussions. This is not the case. You also don’t seem to think there’s a difference between Obama meeting him while in office and the President-elect’s staff doing so before he takes office. This is not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/6 "2017-03-03T11:02:05Z")
Shit, pack it in, kids. He got us. Trump has 100% not sold us all out for a stake in an oil company. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/7 "2017-03-03T11:06:10Z")
I’ve never seen a swing-and-a-miss before where the batter was basically standing in the parking lot. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/8 "2017-03-03T11:17:49Z")
You can’t let the Russian Ambassador into the White House. He’ll _see_ things! He’ll see the Big Board! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/9 "2017-03-03T11:27:22Z")
“Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak Appeared As Obama White House Visitor At Least 22 Times.” And Obama covered it up too: I was completely unaware of this — even unaware of the Ambassador’s name — until this alert Doper brought it to our attention. AFAIK it was never mentioned by Rachel Maddow or the other fake news outlets. Thank you, **arfurvirus** — I’ll remember you for this! How do we know it was just 22 meetings anyway? If the log-keeper admits to 22 meetings, don’t you think he might have really met 23 times? Or 33 times? I hope Congress starts an investigation to get to the bottom of this. And this might just be the tip of the iceberg. Given how Obama felt about the Iraq War, I’d bet money he also met with the French Ambassador! **arfurvirus** , would you look into that for us? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/10 "2017-03-03T11:39:20Z")
This reminds me of when the Access Hollywood tape was rebutted with a video of Obama reading from the autobiography of Malcolm X. OMG he said pussy too! ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/11 "2017-03-03T11:57:28Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > Rule one of the Leftists. > > Accuse everyone else of what you are really doing, we’ve seen the tactic repeatedly. > [http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/02/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/](http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/02/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/) > > :eek::eek::eek: > > Let’s see the Commie media run with this one, you won’t hear a peep I’m sure, as well as the hundreds of Obama appointed holdovers in the federal government. > > 4d chess, Trump is playing it. Go home, kid. You got nuttin. **There is a difference between public, on-the-record mettings (Obama), and clandestine meetings, later lied-about (Trump’s People, and perhaps Trump himself).** ---
**Author:** ![arfurvirus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@arfurvirus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/arfurvirus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/12 "2017-03-03T12:32:02Z")
Meanwhile in the real world… > [@](#): > > ranken’s question was stated in such a way that either side of the aisle could legitimately argue their point. Claims by critics that Sessions knowingly lied cannot be proven, and demands for the attorney general to step down are likely to go unanswered. Claims from supporters that Sessions’ meetings were normal distract from the actual issue of whether the meetings themselves needed to be mentioned. > > Given the intense focus on Russia, it could be argued that Sessions would have been well-advised to mention his meetings, affirming that they were unrelated to the campaign. Others say Sessions was under no obligation to mention the meetings and disregard the connection to Russia entirely. … The majority of our well meaning Trump Derangement Syndrome having Leftists can’t come to grips that Hillary Clinton, (who hopefully goes to prison) sent 20% uranium capacity to Russia, as The Clinton Foundation received a magical $500,000 “donation” from Russia, at the same time. [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/yes-cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-amid-us-russian\_us\_58aa5dd6e4b0fa149f9ac82f](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/yes-cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-amid-us-russian_us_58aa5dd6e4b0fa149f9ac82f) \*\*LOL \*\* ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/13 "2017-03-03T12:32:24Z")
All kidding aside, if I put on a badge and start passing myself off as a cop, I’ll get fined and jailed for impersonating an officer – but, like, when a _cop_ does it, everybody just looks the other way, _man_. It’s a bleedin’ double standard, is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/14 "2017-03-03T12:36:07Z")
What does the OP believe the job of the Russian ambassador to the US is? I think it’s to meet with his counterparts in the US government about diplomatic issues. Since the diplomatic corps is part of the executive branch, one should not be surprised to see ambassadors meet with members of the sitting executive branch. One should not expect to see campaign staff meeting in secret with foreign dignitaries. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/15 "2017-03-03T12:41:48Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > .::come to grips that Hillary Clinton, (who hopefully goes to prison) sent 20% uranium capacity to Russia… > > \*\*LOL \*\* Oh noes! Does this mean Russia might have nuclear weapons soon? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/16 "2017-03-03T12:52:22Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > Meanwhile in the real world… > > … The majority of our well meaning Trump Derangement Syndrome having Leftists can’t > > come to grips that Hillary Clinton, (who hopefully goes to prison) sent 20% uranium capacity to Russia, as The Clinton Foundation received a magical $500,000 “donation” from Russia, at the same time. > > [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/yes-cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-amid-us-russian\_us\_58aa5dd6e4b0fa149f9ac82f](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/yes-cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-amid-us-russian_us_58aa5dd6e4b0fa149f9ac82f) Walk me through how you “send capacity”? Was it by UPS, is there a special rate for capacity? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/17 "2017-03-03T13:06:40Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > Meanwhile in the real world… > > … The majority of our well meaning Trump Derangement Syndrome having Leftists can’t > > come to grips that Hillary Clinton, (who hopefully goes to prison) sent 20% uranium capacity to Russia, as The Clinton Foundation received a magical $500,000 “donation” from Russia, at the same time. > > [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/yes-cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-amid-us-russian\_us\_58aa5dd6e4b0fa149f9ac82f](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/yes-cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-amid-us-russian_us_58aa5dd6e4b0fa149f9ac82f) > > \*\*LOL \*\* So you’ve abandoned your assertion that Obama and his staff meeting with the Russian ambassador is significant in some way? Oh, **arfur** , you disappoint me. Where’s your perseverance? You were so _certain_ in the OP and yet you’ve given up already, reduced to changing the subject. And to jump to that which, “in reality”, is [a right-wing alternative fact](http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/)…tsk. Sad. > [@](#): > > Among the ways these accusations stray from the facts is in attributing a power of veto or approval to Secretary Clinton that she simply did not have. Clinton was one of nine cabinet members and department heads that sit on the CFIUS, and the secretary of the treasury is its chairperson. CFIUS members are collectively charged with evaluating the transaction for potential national security issues, then turning their findings over to the president. By law, the committee can’t veto a transaction; only the president can. According to The New York Times, Clinton may not have even directly participated in the Uranium One decision. Then-Assistant Secretary of State Jose Fernandez, whose job it was to represent the State Dept. on CFIUS, said Clinton herself “never intervened” in committee matters. But who are you going to believe: the Commie media or the brave truthtellers of Breitbart and The Blaze? BTW, you also might want to keep up with [the current status of Sessions’ story](https://www.wsj.com/articles/jeff-sessions-used-political-funds-for-republican-convention-expenses-1488509301?emailToken=JRrzfvl7ZX6Ti9E1aMw%2B2VMmK7IFEPSIQVXMaW3RN0SJrHvRoP6gzKwxwtWqp2%2B0AEh9/ZUe4nYiTznQi2NsGcSWnaByl0ulfH8Yo4Hc3AuQN1%2BexRLaLbdE5/KNpw%3D%3D). > [@](#): > > The Trump administration says Attorney General Jeff Sessions was acting as a then-U.S. senator when he talked to Russia’s ambassador at an event during last year’s Republican National Convention in Cleveland, but Mr. Sessions paid for convention travel expenses out of his own political funds and he spoke about Donald Trump’s campaign at the event, according to a person at the event and campaign-finance records. But keep up the good work, **arfur**. You’re bound to get it right eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/18 "2017-03-03T13:17:37Z")
Another brain-damaged righty joins to “show” us how smart he is. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/19 "2017-03-03T13:38:09Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > Another brain-damaged righty joins to “show” us how smart he is. Nah. This one’s been around long enough to know better… (Circa 2003). ---
**Author:** ![TinyLilElvis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@TinyLilElvis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TinyLilElvis)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276/20 "2017-03-03T13:41:15Z")
If Trump and his campaign staff (including his son-in-law) are proven to have worked in collusion with the Russians to win the presidency, I wonder how that will be spun by the brainwashed Republicans? If this had been a Democratic president, they would be threatening the president’s life. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-appeared-as-obama-white-house-visitor-at-least-22-times/781276.md?page=2)