# Russian Dry Dock sinks, with Aircraft Carrier inside. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 6, 2018, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064 "2018-11-06T11:24:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/1 "2018-11-06T11:24:48Z")
Now this is [embarrasing comrade](https://warisboring.com/russias-giant-dry-dock-sank-with-an-aircraft-carrier-inside/). Any clue who will be sent to Siberia for this? ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/2 "2018-11-06T14:51:07Z")
That was _totally_ on purpose. They’re experimenting with a new “underwater dock” shipbuilding procedure. Saves on crane use. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/3 "2018-11-06T14:55:54Z")
“You see comrade, Americans cannot spy on our ships so easily if they are underwater. Get your SCUBA gear and toolbox.” ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/4 "2018-11-06T15:01:06Z")
> [@](#): > > PD-50, a huge floating dry dock at the 82nd Repair Shipyard in Roslyakovo, Russia, **accidentally sank** on Oct. 29, 2018 Did they really need to qualify that? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/5 "2018-11-06T15:11:09Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Did they really need to qualify that? Hey, Putin is basically a Bond villain, and a submersible dry dock is \*totally \*something a Bond villain would have. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/6 "2018-11-06T15:14:55Z")
Note that the dry dock doesn’t just contain a Russian aircraft carrier, it contains Russia’s _only_ aircraft carrier. The _Admiral Kuznetsov_ is outdated, and apparently in dire need of updates and upgrades (which was undoubtedly why it was in dry dock in the first place). ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/7 "2018-11-06T15:18:23Z")
At first I thought it was a joke. Who would name an aircraft carrier after a hockey player? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/8 "2018-11-06T16:16:17Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Did they really need to qualify that? For insurance purposes. I wonder what their deductible is, 400, 500 bucks? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/9 "2018-11-06T17:15:21Z")
According to the stories the Kuznetsov is still floating. So it’s a total loss on the dry dock, but the aircraft carrier didn’t sink. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/10 "2018-11-06T17:23:26Z")
Sure it is. _wink, wink_ (I don’t know, actually.) ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/11 "2018-11-06T17:35:57Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Hey, Putin is basically a Bond villain, and a submersible dry dock is \*totally \*something a Bond villain would have. If it’s submerged, it’s not exactly a _dry_ dock anymore, is it? (Except perhaps in the quantity of vermouth it contains.) ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/12 "2018-11-06T17:46:59Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > According to the stories the Kuznetsov is still floating. So it’s a total loss on the dry dock, but the aircraft carrier didn’t sink. Which might not mean much since they have an opened up ship (undergoing a major overhaul), with no way to repair her. Right now she is basically scrap metal: ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/13 "2018-11-06T17:57:58Z")
Oh those Russians! This reminds me of the time they ignited the second stage of a rocket… while it was still atop the first stage on the pad. That did not go well either. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/14 "2018-11-06T18:17:53Z")
Why do the Russians have difficulty building large ships? Not that I am complaining. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/15 "2018-11-06T18:18:20Z")
Well that’s one way to make a new nuclear submarine. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/16 "2018-11-06T18:24:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Why do the Russians have difficulty building large ships? Not that I am complaining. Everybody has difficulty building large ships. It’s a practice that benefits from both massive capital investment and long experience. The Russians have had trouble paying for massive capital investment (like most powers bordering potential enemies with large armies, they see naval investment as secondary) for long periods, so they lack both capital and experience. The US and Britain have maintained such capability but at enormous cost. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/17 "2018-11-06T18:36:40Z")
> [@Balance](#): > > If it’s submerged, it’s not exactly a _dry_ dock anymore, is it? (Except perhaps in the quantity of vermouth it contains.) In Soviet Russia, dry dock sinks YOU. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/18 "2018-11-06T21:09:55Z")
If I’ve understood the articles I’ve read correctly, the Russians have other floating dry docks, but they are not close by, and towing them will be a slow and difficult process. The one that sank came from Sweden, which may not be inclined to sell them another one, even if the Russians can cough up the kroner. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/19 "2018-11-06T21:23:21Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > If I’ve understood the articles I’ve read correctly, the Russians have other floating dry docks, but they are not close by, and towing them will be a slow and difficult process. The one that sank came from Sweden, which may not be inclined to sell them another one, even if the Russians can cough up the kroner. Do the Russians sometimes lose a submarine in Swedish waters, or am I thinking of another country? ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064/20 "2018-11-06T21:42:29Z")
> [@K364](#): > > Oh those Russians! > > This reminds me of the time they ignited the second stage of a rocket… while it was still atop the first stage on the pad. That did not go well either. Cue [Yakety Sax…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-dry-dock-sinks-with-aircraft-carrier-inside/824064.md?page=2)