# Russian military's use of Lignostone **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 23, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762 "2004-09-23T21:50:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/81 "2016-01-20T03:05:55Z")
I believe the hulls of circa WWII US Navy PT boats were plywood. I imagine resin impregnated wood laminates might be useful to make cases to transport and store artillery and tank rounds. ---
**Author:** ![Ageranger361](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Ageranger361](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ageranger361)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/82 "2016-02-01T15:23:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You don’t get to count things written after the fact as a foretelling, even if they are attributed to people speaking before the fact. Also, still waiting on those maps. The prophetic writings were made and verified by modern dating methods and archeological research and dating methods. They were not written after the fact. Show even one example of a written biblical prophesy that occurred after the fact. Here’s a study of Ezekiel prophecy with cited sources. If you want a research report complete your own and cite your sources. [http://trackingbibleprophecy.com/gog\_magog.php](http://trackingbibleprophecy.com/gog_magog.php) On the maps, Simply put, No. I’ve provided several links to sources already, you’ve provided nothing. I’m not going continue to do the leg work for you just for you to come back and change the argument to something else that needs more leg work from me. If you truly want to disprove the bible and its prophesies you should undertake serious scholastic and scientific research on your own. If you aren’t interested in finding out for yourself by scientific analyses of the bible prophesies then that is on you. ---
**Author:** ![Ageranger361](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Ageranger361](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ageranger361)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/83 "2016-02-01T15:28:57Z")
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation before investigation. —Edmund Spencer ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/84 "2016-02-01T15:47:50Z")
> [@Ageranger361](#): > > I’ve provided several links to sources already, you’ve provided nothing. I’m not going continue to do the leg work for you just for you to come back and change the argument to something else that needs more leg work from me. The burden of proof rests on the proponent of a claim. I have “provided nothing” because I haven’t claimed anything. And you haven’t bothered to explain what portions of your sources support your claims. You’re just throwing out random links. Quote the relevant passages, if they support what you’re claiming. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/85 "2016-02-01T17:12:16Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > AKA Pakkawood, Staminawood, Colorwood, Dymondwood, and compreg . . . and I’d bet my left nut they too are getting their raw blanks from [Rutland Plywood](http://www.rutply.com/)! > > CMC fnord! Given that the Rutland factory burned down in 2014 and the owners show no interest in rebuilding, I personally wouldn’t want to be betting my progenitive organs on them ever producing more of the stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/86 "2016-02-01T17:19:37Z")
But was it burned down for fuel? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/87 "2016-02-01T17:32:39Z")
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is mindless acceptance of Biblical prophesies as any type of Truth. — **silenus** ---
**Author:** ![Ageranger361](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Ageranger361](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ageranger361)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/88 "2016-02-01T19:16:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The burden of proof rests on the proponent of a claim. I have “provided nothing” because I haven’t claimed anything. > > And you haven’t bothered to explain what portions of your sources support your claims. You’re just throwing out random links. Quote the relevant passages, if they support what you’re claiming. Here’s a link to a cited wiki page that shows a reconstructed map of Hecataeus c. 570-476BCE: [Early world maps - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_world_maps) View the map and Look for Scythia found in modern day southern Russia. Here’s a link to a cited scholarly study into the identity of Magog (a son of Japheth, a son of Noah). These descendants have been conclusively linked to the Scythians by Herodotus. Herodotus’ reports regarding the Sycthians have been confirmed by “numerous archaeological discoveries”. > **[The Magog Identity | Koinonia House](https://www.khouse.org/personal_update/articles/2002/magog-identity)** > > So begins this classic passage in which Gog and Magog, with their allies, are drawn into an invasion of Israel only to have the God of Israel use the occasion to show Himself strong by intervening on behalf of His people and destroying the invading... > **[Early world maps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_world_maps#/media/File:Hecataeus_world_map-en.svg)** > > The earliest known world maps date to classical antiquity, the oldest examples of the 6th to 5th centuries BCE still based on the flat Earth paradigm. World maps assuming a spherical Earth first appear in the Hellenistic period. The developments of Greek geography during this time, notably by Eratosthenes and Posidonius culminated in the Roman era, with Ptolemy's world map (2nd century CE), which would remain authoritative throughout the Middle Ages. Since Ptolemy, knowledge of the approximate s... I’m not going to write a thesis in APA format for you. If you choose to believe that the Bible is just a work of fiction without any research, that is your choice. I’ve provided links to the works which have been cited and the works speak for themselves. It’s up to you to read them and come to your own conclusion. It seems to me that you find it easier to accept that the Bible is a work of fiction based on your set of beliefs rather than researching facts to prove or disprove it, which is the still exercising faith: Full Definition of faith plural faiths play \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\ ``` 1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions 2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust 3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith> ``` While I do exercise faith in the Bible as God’s inerrant word, I also research the topics that it discusses to prove or disprove them out wherever able based on real research looking for the fingerprints of God. This is called searching for truth. You don’t seem to be interested in truth, rather, you seem interested in denouncing and belittling the work as fiction by arguing that it’s absurd without research. Christ died on a cross for your sins, was buried, and arose from the dead three days later. Salvation is offered freely to all who will accept it as His gracious gift. Whether you choose to believe in and accept Him or not has no bearing on it’s accuracy and truth. It only has bearing on your ultimate salvation or lack thereof. We each must choose for ourselves. I pray that you choose to believe and accept Him. The ball is in your court. ---
**Author:** ![Ageranger361](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Ageranger361](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ageranger361)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/89 "2016-02-01T19:19:48Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is mindless acceptance of Biblical prophesies as any type of Truth. > > — **silenus** Now prove that quote out by undertaking the research to disprove the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/90 "2016-02-01T19:22:25Z")
Reported to suggest forum change. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/91 "2016-02-01T19:25:52Z")
> [@Ageranger361](#): > > Now prove that quote out by undertaking the research to disprove the Bible. Oh, no. **You** are the one asserting “truth.” The burden is on **you** to prove it true, which you haven’t even begun to do. All you have done is cite worthless sources that can’t back up any of their “data” and state that prophesies are true that are nothing of the sort. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/92 "2016-02-01T19:32:17Z")
Moved to Great Debates. Please note that this thread was started in 2004. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Ageranger361](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Ageranger361](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ageranger361)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/93 "2016-02-01T21:24:59Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > Reported to suggest forum change. I agree with CannyDan here. This will be my last post unless I’m directly asked a question or quoted. This topic was originally started to find information regarding Lignostone and it’s use in military hardware which could be used as a fuel in the end times to fulfill a biblical prophesy. I’ve said my piece and I have nothing to prove or sell to anyone here. I’ve simply answered the off topic posts of others who have insinuated that Biblical prophesies have not come true and that they are vague. I agree that this discussion has gotten off topic and that I have contributed to that in my responses to these false assertions. ---
**Author:** ![Atomic\_Alex](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atomic_alex/32/175_2.png) [@Atomic\_Alex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atomic_Alex)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/94 "2016-02-01T23:26:02Z")
Just as a sidenote, I find it interesting that Israel came back into existence as a nation at pretty much the exact same historical moment that nuclear weapons were invented. Before that a fiery Armageddon was something people could only imagine, afterwards it was a real possibility…and still is to an extent, and it wouldn’t take much for a new arms race to begin once again. Just a coincedence? Certainly. A bit of an odd one, well everyone can decide that for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/95 "2016-02-02T08:51:17Z")
> [@Ageranger361](#): > > View the map and Look for Scythia found in modern day southern Russia. > … The ball is in your court. So there is no ancient map with Magog on it. Thank you for confirming that. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/96 "2016-02-02T09:49:49Z")
I find it amusing that someone thinks the Russians are Israel’s greatest enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/97 "2016-02-02T12:23:41Z")
Will anyone promoting this as biblical prophecy in action promise to forever shut up about it if the end of the world (or whatever) doesn’t occur as a result? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/98 "2016-02-02T13:31:49Z")
> [@Ageranger361](#): > > I agree with CannyDan here. This will be my last post unless I’m directly asked a question or quoted. This topic was originally started to find information regarding Lignostone and it’s use in military hardware which could be used as a fuel in the end times to fulfill a biblical prophesy. OK, do you agree that Russia is not using Lignostone in military hardware, with the possible exception of rifle stocks? ---
**Author:** ![Ageranger361](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Ageranger361](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ageranger361)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/99 "2016-02-02T17:57:01Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > So there is no ancient map with Magog on it. > > Thank you for confirming that. You’re willfully ignoring that the Sycthians are the same as MAGOG as evidenced by facts shown in that article that is a cited scholarly article. You wish to remain ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Ageranger361](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Ageranger361](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ageranger361)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762/100 "2016-02-02T17:58:46Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > OK, do you agree that Russia is not using Lignostone in military hardware, with the possible exception of rifle stocks? I’m not agreeing to anything that I do not know for certain. My stance has been one of questioning it as a fact since I started posting in this thread. I have no idea what material Russia is using in it’s hardware. Do you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russian-militarys-use-of-lignostone/265762.md?page=6)