# Rust Belt, Sun Belt, Bible Belt, etc. - Which "Belt" Came First? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 19, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227 "2018-07-19T21:18:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/1 "2018-07-19T21:18:39Z")
When did the term “belt” to describe the characteristic of a region in the US first come into use, and what was the first one? My WAG is “Bible Belt,” for no reason at all. ---
**Author:** ![PoppaSan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/poppasan/32/189_2.png) [@PoppaSan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoppaSan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/2 "2018-07-19T21:27:54Z")
Grain belt? Referring to the northern Great Plains states and east through Illinois and Indiana. I recall hearing that as a little tyke. [Grain Belt Beer is from the 1890’s.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_Belt_(beer)) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/3 "2018-07-19T21:28:03Z")
Your WAG is correct. [Here’s a Google Ngram view for usage of the three terms.](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Bible+belt%2Csun+belt%2Crust+belt&year_start=1900&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CBible%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Csun%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Crust%20belt%3B%2Cc0) Usage of “Bible Belt” dates back to the 1920s and 1930s, and has been steady since. “Sun Belt” comes in during the 1970s, and “Rust Belt” in the early 1980s. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/4 "2018-07-19T21:28:38Z")
Crop based groupings based on their tendency to follow narrow bands of latitude were probably the first. You can read about that claim here. [http://www.aghistorysociety.org/pdf/articles/ag000816.pdf](http://www.aghistorysociety.org/pdf/articles/ag000816.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/5 "2018-07-19T21:30:23Z")
> [@PoppaSan](#): > > Grain belt? Oooh, good call. I added “grain belt” to the Ngram view I had already posted, and [it’s the winner so far](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Bible+belt%2Csun+belt%2Crust+belt%2Cgrain+belt&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CBible%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Csun%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Crust%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cgrain%20belt%3B%2Cc0), dating back to the very late 19th century. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/6 "2018-07-19T21:34:00Z")
**rat avatar** ’s link specifically mentions “corn belt” – adding _that_ into the Ngram is interesting, as [usage of it was far bigger than any of the other terms](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Bible+belt%2Csun+belt%2Crust+belt%2Cgrain+belt%2Ccorn+belt&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CBible%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Csun%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Crust%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cgrain%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ccorn%20belt%3B%2Cc0), though it tailed off dramatically over the last half of the 20th century. Like “grain belt,” it comes into usage in the late 19th century. ---
**Author:** ![PoppaSan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/poppasan/32/189_2.png) [@PoppaSan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoppaSan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/7 "2018-07-19T21:37:14Z")
Too late to ETA: > [@HeyHomie](#): > > When did the term “belt” to describe the characteristic of a region in the US first come into use, and what was the first one? > > My WAG is “Bible Belt,” for no reason at all. [" The “belt” terminology was first applied to growing regions for various crops, "](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_belt_regions_of_the_United_States) ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/8 "2018-07-19T21:40:31Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Oooh, good call. I added “grain belt” to the Ngram view I had already posted, and [it’s the winner so far](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Bible+belt%2Csun+belt%2Crust+belt%2Cgrain+belt&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CBible%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Csun%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Crust%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cgrain%20belt%3B%2Cc0), dating back to the very late 19th century. The Cotton Belt [beats them all](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Bible+belt%2Csun+belt%2Crust+belt%2Cgrain+belt%2Ccotton+belt&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CBible%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Csun%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Crust%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cgrain%20belt%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ccotton%20belt%3B%2Cc0). ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/9 "2018-07-19T21:43:22Z")
I think that Ngram is going to start measuring the relative rarity of books at this date, but there was a [Corn Belt Council](https://books.google.com/books?id=HYxGAQAAIAAJ&q=%22corn+belt%22) in 1817 which is probably indicative of common use. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/10 "2018-07-19T21:51:19Z")
“Black belt” is older than severanof the belts in the OP — [Black Belt - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_(U%2ES%2E_region)) ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/11 "2018-07-19T21:52:56Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > My WAG is “Bible Belt,” for no reason at all. We actually know who coined the term Bible Belt: H. L Mencken. I thought it was during the Scopes Monkey Trial, but apparently it was in 1924, a year before. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/12 "2018-07-19T21:58:43Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > I think that Ngram is going to start measuring the relative rarity of books at this date, but there was a [Corn Belt Council](https://books.google.com/books?id=HYxGAQAAIAAJ&q=%22corn+belt%22) in 1817 which is probably indicative of common use. I think you’re right that we’re reaching the limit of Ngram’s utility, so this isn’t proof of much. But the first blip above 0% for Cotton Belt is 1797 and the first blip for Corn is 1837. Given the importance of cotton versus corn in the early days of the country, I think it more likely that the cotton belt was first. Throwing “black belt” into the mix is more difficult to determine because many google hits are unrelated to a geographic region. ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/13 "2018-07-20T10:38:12Z")
Orion’s Belt came first. ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/14 "2018-07-20T14:13:00Z")
You have to be very careful interpreting results from Google Ngrams and Google Books. The date they list for serials is usually the date the series was first published. You need to dig deeper to find the actual publication date for the particular issue. The publication dates they list for books are often wrong. You need to verify dates by looking at the publication data that is often printed in the first few pages. For example, the “Corn Belt Council” reference above is from United States Congressional Serial Set. The series was first published in 1817, but the issue that the phrase appears in is volume 11687. I haven’t been able to track down an exact publication date, but it seems to be from about 1952. ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rust-belt-sun-belt-bible-belt-etc-which-belt-came-first/818227/15 "2018-07-20T15:04:09Z")
I can trace “Tobacco Belt” to 1817.[Arator, Being a Series of Agricultural Essays, Practical & Politica](https://books.google.com/books?id=paMBAAAAYAAJ&dq=%22tobacco%20belt%22&pg=PA172#v=onepage&q=%22tobacco%20belt%22&f=false) > [@](#): > > The market for live stock and meat, is so great and valuable in the bread stuff districts of the Eastern waters, as to attract supplies from quarters far beyond the narrow tobacco belt, with which they are immediately surrounded… I can trace “Wheat Belt” back to 1842. [Agriculture, Horticulture, and Rural Economy](https://books.google.com/books?id=5f0jAQAAMAAJ&dq=%22wheat%20belt%22&pg=PP9#v=onepage&q=%22wheat%20belt%22&f=false) > [@](#): > > With these facts before us, have we not too much reason to apprehend that Ohio,–this unrivalled Mississippi Valley, will in a few years be excluded from the Wheat Belt? I can trace “Cotton Belt” back to 1851. [De Bow’s Review](https://books.google.com/books?id=Sa82AQAAMAAJ&dq=%22the%20real%20cotton%20belt%22%20de%20bow's%20review&pg=PA310#v=onepage&q=%22the%20real%20cotton%20belt%22%20de%20bow's%20review&f=false) > [@](#): > > The real cotton belt is at any rate much more narrow than it was formerly supposed to be. The latitude of 32½º may be said to be its centre in the Southern States. So far I can trace “Black Belt” back to 1870. [Journal of the Statistical Society of London](https://books.google.com/books?id=Q0suAAAAYAAJ&dq=%22black%20belt%22%20alabama&pg=PA125#v=onepage&q=%22black%20belt%22&f=false) (1870) > [@](#): > > The general has observed that there is a very extensive movement of the coloured people to the ‘black belt’–that belt of the country stretching from the Sea Islands, in South Carolina, westward through Middle Georgia, Middle and Southern Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. And he believes that if the blacks were sufficiently educated to write to their friends there would be an even still greater exodus of those people from the more northerly parts of the Southern States to what he designates as the ‘black belt,’ or the ‘cotton belt.’ .