# S.D. Gov'r "inclined" to ban abortions, shoves head up ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2006, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066 "2006-02-25T13:49:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/221 "2006-02-27T05:41:04Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Um, what assertions have I not backed up? 1: That a foetus is at all times a human life. 2: That to have an abortion is totally irresponsible. We’ve provided reasons why you’re wrong - and all you’ve done is kept on saying your two points. Please, provide reasons for each, and also while you’re at it could you answer my rabid wolf question above? Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/222 "2006-02-27T05:43:14Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Not in the real world, snookums. In the real world, these kinds of things happen all the time. In the real world, people are going to have sex. Except for you. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/223 "2006-02-27T05:43:23Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Um, what assertions have I not backed up? You haven’t explained why an abortion is not a responsible choice, and you haven’t explained how you believe the onus of the pregnancy falls on both the mother and the father equally. That’s the _fourth_ time I personally have asked, and the sixth time, total, that you have been asked these questions. You haven’t answered either of them. And I’m betting you won’t, because you would have to admit that: a) The onus cannot be on both parents, the woman would have to bear the majority of it and b) You believe that it’s not a responsible choice because to your mind, she did something she shouldn’t have, and that child is a punishment. Which makes you a major league sexist obnoxious asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/224 "2006-02-27T05:47:35Z")
[QUOTE=Maureen] You haven’t explained why an abortion is not a responsible choice [QUOTE] Because abortion is killing an innocent child. That is where I draw the line. Sorry if you disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/225 "2006-02-27T05:49:11Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Except for you. Oh, I knew someone was going to bring that up. Yeah, that REALLY helps your point. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/226 "2006-02-27T05:49:28Z")
And the woman is agreeing, when she takes that choice, of bearing the burden of that action. Do you really believe it’s an easy choice to make? That what you’re saying isn’t taken into consideration? What a very narrow little world you live in. Women agonize over that choice. It’s never made lightly. Now. As to my other question? Still waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/227 "2006-02-27T05:56:47Z")
I have ansewed it. No matter what your religion, or politics, or job situation, or economic status, or anything else, abortion is a grave evil. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/228 "2006-02-27T05:59:37Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > I have ansewed it. No matter what your religion, or politics, or job situation, or economic status, or anything else, \*\*_in my opinion_ \*\* abortion is a grave evil. Fixed that for you.\* \*My bolding, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/229 "2006-02-27T06:01:55Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > I have ansewed it. No matter what your religion, or politics, or job situation, or economic status, or anything else, abortion is a grave evil. Again: _in. your. opinion._ Personally, I believe forcing three people to be desperately unhappy because of your religious beliefs is a far greater evil. Not to mention, it’s unconstitutional. But I wasn’t referring to that. I posed two questions to you. Remember? The second was: > [@me](#): > > how you believe the onus of the pregnancy falls on both the mother and the father equally. > \ > unless you are able to somehow make the father gain 30-50 lbs, be out of work for at least 6 weeks, go through severe hormonal changes and a traumatic physical experience equal to childbirth, then the father isn’t going to be anywhere near under the same onus as the mother. Sorry. No matter how you slice it, it’s the woman that carries the majority of the burden. So. What’s your plan to make the father bear as much of the burden as the mother? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/230 "2006-02-27T06:05:53Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > I disagree. The ultimate result of the sexual act is a child. Humans are not cattle, who breed once a year and usually conceive right away ( 85 % chance IIRC ). WE have sex for _many_ reasons, of which one, _sometimes_, is to have children. It’s not a coincidence we have both a low fertility rate and a full time sex drive. And a fetus is not the same as a child, and suggesting it is is disgusting, and an insult to actual children. > [@Updike](#): > > No one has to have an abortion. That statement demonstrates you are either insane, evil or ignorant. There are pregnancies that will _kill_ the women in question. > [@Updike](#): > > All children are a gift. Garbage. Some children are victims, born with defects that mean they will never know anything but suffering. Some are burdens that destroy a family. Some are diseases that will kill the mother. Not to mention, YOU want to turn children into a punishment, a torment, a tool of tyranny. > [@Updike](#): > > A baby is a human life. A mindless fetus is not a human life or a baby. I noticed you haven’t answered - or even acknowleged - my question about whether or not you oppose organ donation. After all, if a fetus is a person deserving rights, so is a brain dead body. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/231 "2006-02-27T06:10:10Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > Some are diseases that will kill the mother. A Child is never a disease, you little worm. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/232 "2006-02-27T06:12:56Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > A Child is never a disease, you little worm. God, you really are a moron. I believe he’s referring to gestational diabetes, which can indeed kill the mother and the child both. Not to mention high blood pressure. There are many complications to pregnancy, as with any medical condition. Maybe if you spent some time reading books other than the bible, you’d realize that. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/233 "2006-02-27T06:17:16Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] That statement demonstrates you are either insane, evil or ignorant. [QUOTE] And that statement demonstrates your rationality, or not. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/234 "2006-02-27T06:19:58Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > God, you really are a moron. I believe he’s referring to gestational diabetes, which can indeed kill the mother and the child both. Not to mention high blood pressure. There are many complications to pregnancy, as with any medical condition. Maybe if you spent some time reading books other than the bible, you’d realize that. No, I’m sure he thinks that any pregnacy is an affront. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/235 "2006-02-27T06:20:39Z")
Can I make an appeal for the sniping to stop? I realise this is (and has for some time) been heading out of debate and into train wreck territory, but there’s no reason to take petty shots at one another. I for one would very much like to talk about this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/236 "2006-02-27T06:21:40Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > God, you really are a moron. I believe he’s referring to gestational diabetes, which can indeed kill the mother and the child both. Not to mention high blood pressure. There are many complications to pregnancy, as with any medical condition. Maybe if you spent some time reading books other than the bible, you’d realize that. Also, ecotopic ( sp ) pregnancies, and probably a number of other conditions I’ve never heard of or forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/237 "2006-02-27T06:28:05Z")
Ectopic. There’s also ecclampsia, and according to the WHO, even a [woman’s age can play a major factor](http://www.who.int/docstore/world-health-day/en/pages1998/whd98_05.html) as well. > [@](#): > > . In addition, depending on how the parameters are defined (e.g., age under 18, parity 4+), they can result in a large proportion of pregnant women being identified as high risk. Moreover, just because a woman starts pregnancy in good health, does not mean she will remain in good health due to any number of factors: > [@](#): > > A key assumption of risk assessment strategies is that a specified risk (in this case, maternal risk) can actually be defined, and that individuals can be clearly separated into either high or low risk categories. Maternal risk, however, is not constant; a woman can move from low to high risk or vice versa throughout her pregnancy and the puerperium. She may also face different levels of risks with different pregnancies. Furthermore, it is not at all clear where along the risk continuum a low risk pregnancy becomes high risk. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/238 "2006-02-27T06:30:05Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > No, I’m sure he thinks that any pregnacy is an affront. Ah yes, because someone who dislikes a woman being reduced to an incubator and a child to a punishment can’t _conceivably_ have any other motivation than a hatred of pregnancy. Where did _that_ little delusion come from ? Oh, and I notice you are still ignoring my question about organ donations. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/239 "2006-02-27T06:36:18Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > Oh, and I notice you are still ignoring my question about organ donations. Organ donation doesn’t have anything to do with this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2006, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066/240 "2006-02-27T06:39:53Z")
You still haven’t answered my second question, either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/s-d-govr-inclined-to-ban-abortions-shoves-head-up-ass/346066.md?page=13)