# sad state of marine corp boot camp **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 23, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sad-state-of-marine-corp-boot-camp/656458 "2013-04-23T01:52:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sad-state-of-marine-corp-boot-camp/656458/101 "2014-11-12T01:15:00Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > What happened to the officer candidates? I actually don’t know – I never heard exactly which Officer Candidates were involved. I’m not sure if anything should happen to them – the DI - Officer Candidate relationship (and the sex was during training, not after commissioning) is so unbalanced I’m not sure if it’s possible for there to be full awareness and consent. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sad-state-of-marine-corp-boot-camp/656458/102 "2014-11-12T01:59:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I actually don’t know – I never heard exactly which Officer Candidates were involved. I’m not sure if anything should happen to them – the DI - Officer Candidate relationship (and the sex was during training, not after commissioning) is so unbalanced I’m not sure if it’s possible for there to be full awareness and consent. I misread your post. I thought that the asshole DIs had demoted other people for having sex with officer candidates. Yeah, having sex with the person you have the power to fail out of a career is highly suspicious and unprofessional at best. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sad-state-of-marine-corp-boot-camp/656458/103 "2014-11-12T02:21:11Z")
> [@stavechoker](#): > > In todays bootcamp they only have to do 3.there out ot shape when they’ go in and stillnot in shape when they graduate. I have a difficult time believing this. _Three_ pullups? _After_ going thru training? ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sad-state-of-marine-corp-boot-camp/656458/104 "2014-11-12T03:44:22Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I have a difficult time believing this. _Three_ pullups? _After_ going thru training? It looks like it’s [true.](http://www.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/marine-corps-basic-training) That is the absolute bare minimum on that event or you fail. It only gets you 15 of 100 points possible on that event. In the three event test \*300 points total max) you need 135 points to pass at the absolute minimum. Getting 60 points in each of the other events requires 60 crunches and 24:40 three mile run time for the 17-26 age group. You can’t make it into the top tier of scores with three pullups even if you max the other events. I’d assume that score affects promotion. I’d also assume the majority are not hovering right at or near the bare minimum when they pass. I’d also assume that a new Marine showing up with a 3 pullup, 135 point total score PFT is going to get a lot of junior NCO love when he gets to his first duty stations. ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sad-state-of-marine-corp-boot-camp/656458/105 "2014-11-12T14:23:09Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > \ Also since most positions in the military nowadays are non combat I wonder if such hardness is needed for someone who’s going to be behind a desk anyways? [Every Marine is a rifleman, trained first as a disciplined warrior regardless of occupational specialty.](http://www.marines.com/photos/-/photo-library/detail/browse/51072) ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sad-state-of-marine-corp-boot-camp/656458/106 "2014-11-13T01:36:31Z")
Reminds me of a recent scandal over instructors at Air Force BMT sexually assaulting trainees (to include statutory rape, since a trainee in Basic can’t consent to sex with an instructor). At least a few of the MTIs found themselves serving prison time as a result. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sad-state-of-marine-corp-boot-camp/656458.md?page=5)