Ah. Just so happens, there’s a separate debate going on over execution next door.
I think you should try to read something informative about “all the Arab world” and in addition to that about the organisation known as named “Al Qaeda”.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq and Hussein let be with “all the Arab world”.
And besides this your post makes the following clear to me:
- You see “all the Arab world” as Al Qaeda members/supporters.
Thank you, but be so kind to exclude me, my family, my relatives, my friends, my whole entourage and millions and millions of other Arabs in “all the Arab world”.
- You make it clear that you think “all the Arab world” is ready and waiting to fall backwards en masse in sheer admiration for the USA if they ever manage to get out of Iraq leaving there some sort of puppet “democracy” that can devellop in yet an other US serving slave in the region. Which isn’t even likely to be a prospect still, but that is an other matter.
Thank you, but be so kind to exclude of that general falling backwards in sheer admiration the underscribed, my family, my relatives, my friends, my whole entourage and millions and millions of others (Arab or not) on this globe.
Salaam. A
It isn’t.
Just like with all the killing and “arrests” done by the invadin armies and the occupyers, it is the Rule and Law of the Murdering Colonisator in function.
Salaam. A
Every report I’ve heard and read says that the resistance is being spearheaded by Saddam’s right hand guy, al-Dhouri (sp?) and that we’ve got his family (at least his wife) but we don’t yet have him. The insurrection isn’t going to be effectively trounced until we get al-Dhouri and cut off its head. No one with any knowledge of the military operations in Iraq has suggested that the job is done. As Gen. Sanchez said this morning, the mission doesn’t end until Iraq is secure and stable. I’d add “sovereign” to that, as well.
The transitional Iraqi leaders have already put a death penalty on Saddam’s head. If they have their way, and I believe that they will, he will be tried for his life and hanged, and that can’t come a day too soon.
Diogenes, what controlling legal authority exists in Iraq? Whose authority did we need to arrest Hussein? Who has the power to grant such an authority to begin with?
Aldebaran, give it up already. It is not everyone’s goal in life to upset you. The way I interpreted SimonX’s comment was that most of the Arab world already knows al-Qaeda is a bad organization full of thugs that is giving Muslims a bad name. I think SimonX was saying that now the Arabs that did side with al-Qaeda will come to their senses.
Doesn’t he look like a dirty version of santa? That’s exactly what i would expect santa to look like if he’d been hold up in a hole for months!
I thought there was a rule against joke threads.
Dignan,
I don’t think that was the intention of that post seen the “all” the Arab “world” wording.
But I think you take my reply wrong in the sense that there is no need for me to become “upset” by anything, let be by something written on a message board. I know… I know, my writing style is a bit difficult to decipher for an unprepared and innocent audience…
By the way: There is a bit more needed for those who are in support of Al Qaeda to “change their mind” then whatever Simon wanted to describe.
That is why I suggest that reading something about “all the Arab world” and “Al Qaeda” could be a good idea.
Salaam. A
DtC:
Oh, I forgot to add: What are you suggesting? That his arrest was not legal and that we should turn him lose?
This arrest could have had legality under approved international law if the UN would have supported this invasion.
Yet in my opinion it wouldn’t have had the same authority as when the Iraqis themselves would have asked the UN to interfere.
If the Iraqi people would have invited the USA to invade and occupy their country, they surely would have given them the authority to search and arrest Hussein.
Do you think the Iraqis invited the USA?
I never heard something about that, but maybe others have.
Salaam. A
JM,
DTC only asked the logical question every normal thinking person should ask.
Salaam. A
Well, you’re going to see things the same way you always see them Aldebaran. Of course I don’t know SimonX’s intent, and I’m sure that my feeble American mind has no doubt been tainted by the evil Jewish controlled media, but SimonX’s emphasis on “ALL” the Arab world would imply that he recognizes that there is a part of the Arab world that already doesn’t like al-Qaeda. Whether that part is the majority or not, only SimonX can say. If I were always looking for a fight and thought I was always being picked on, then I would probably take SimonX’s comment as a personal insult as well. I consider myself a rational person though. YMMV.
Good news, but let’s not get euphoric. I don’t think that complicated situations end over a single event. Our Civil War is still not really finished.
The Arab-Israeli thing is still there. Al Qaeda, etc. are still plotting. Their financial support seems to be still functioning. Iraq is still a cobbled-together entity, left over from the end of the Ottoman Empire in 1918 for crissake.
We need to keep our eye on the main goal of ending terrorist activities, or at least ameliorating them. That has a lot more to do with removing the causes than with merely treating the symptoms.
One exceedingly short step in a road that probably stretches far, far into the future. Get back to me with the results in 2100 or so.
Has anyone claimed the US had him in custody for months, and only revealed it now because the election campaign is beginning?
Diogenes - think Nuremberg.
Regards,
Shodan
From DtC
This has got to be one of the stupidest things I’ve seen on this board. What LEGAL authority does the US have to arrest SH?? Um, by the legal authority that comes from the fact that they are the occupying authority, by virtue of, you know, having defeated Iraq in a war perhaps?
Are you saying that the US didn’t have legal authority to arrest Nazi’s in Germany after their surrender? That the US didn’t have legal authority to arrest Japanese? Maybe your point is we didn’t have a formal declaration of war?? If so, by what legal authority did the US arrest and try people for war crimes during Korea and Vietnam? Oh, but then, THEY probably didn’t have legal authority either, right?
From Aldebaran
Um…sure, Aldebaran. So far, I haven’t heard one word about anyone who has a clue questioning the arrest of SH on legal grounds. Even the liberals I’ve been listening to on the various news channels haven’t said a peep about it. Maybe YOU could explain how it was ILLEGAL for the US to arrest him, being as its glaringly obvious that the US in fact defeated Iraq and is currently occupying the country. Whether or not the WAR was legal (I know you don’t think it was, I disagree…but lets move on), the fact remains the US IS the occupying authority, along with the UK and other colalition members. That GIVE them the authority, legal and otherwise, to make such an arrest. Come on guys…its the real world, not fantasy land.
Tell you what though…if, when SH goes to trial, his lawyers use the fact that the US actions were illegal because they didn’t have the ‘authority’ to legally arrest him, I’ll write a retraction to both of you ‘logical normal’ types. If they don’t, you can both come back and appologize for such a stupid thing to say. Deal?
-XT
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This one of those bullshit requests for a cite that deserves to be pitted. The poster to which whuckfistle was responding was clearly stating an opinion.
I just wanted to point that out.
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Iraq was never a threat to the US itself, and, since the first gulf war, has not even managed to be a significant threat to the weakest of its neighbors. I find it reprehensible that distortions and outright lies were used to jusitfy a war with a sovereign nation (albeit a brutal dictatorship, but other brutal dictatorships we call allies, and until the first gulf war, Iraq was one of them) that was in no way a direct threat to the US or its interests, and furthermore that American lives are being sacrificed almost daily to support this lie. The Iraq military was a shambles, and there were and are no WMDs.
Capturing Saddam Hussein changes nothing…
…excepting that it is now more obvious than ever that he could not possibly have had anything to do with the insurgents fighting against the US occupation.
Knorf
John, couldja come over and clean off my monitor? Thanks.
Dio, if you really want to know, it’s UNSC Resolution 1483. Recognizes the US and Britain as occupying powers, and all that. So we’re the law there, or so says the UN.
But geez, what a ridiculous question. Can’t you just be happy that one of the world’s nastier tyrants will never again harm a single person? That the Iraqi people, for all that still stands between them and some viable government, don’t have to worry about Saddam roaring back into power, once our troops are gone? That’s something to make one’s heart glad, no matter what one’s feelings might be about Bush or the Iraq war. Get up and dance, for a moment at least!
Aldebaran, I’m going to ask you a couple of straightfoward questions to which I’d appreciate straightforward answers.
How would citizens living under a tyrant who regularly imprisoned people for political activity he found threatening to his power “invite” anyone outside that nation to do anything which would be an obvious threat to their tyrant leader?
When, in world history (this should be easy for you as a scholar of the subject) has an oppressed people invited a nation that its oppressor viewed as an enemy to intervene on its behalf?
In what form do you suggest such an invitation should have been made?
If you can answer those questions, I’ll believe that you’re not posting questions like yours in order to be provocative.
For everyone going on the “illegal war, illegal arrest” thing, one question:
If all of this was simply illegal, should Saddam be restored to power with all of his seized assets returned and/or repaid?
If not, why not? Shouldn’t the victim of an illegal, improper arrest be made whole in any way available? Shouldn’t an illegally deposed leader be returned to his seat as quickly as possible?
Thanks, Knorf, I was hoping someone would point that out.
I think that’s still very much an unknown. I think we’ll find out, one way or the other, over the next couple of months.
Whether this is just good news, or really good news is a bit murky at this point. The Admin has put a great deal of effort into stating the case that the Iraqi “resistance” is made up primarily of Saddamite “die-hards” and Baathist remnants. If such is truly the case, then we might reasonably expect the “resistance” to collapse. And if, as has been asserted, the vast majority of Iraqis are simply thrilled to have our assistance and guidance, then all will be well.
I note that GeeDubya, in his speech today, cautioned against assuming that attacks on US forces would decline.