# SAG-AFTRA strike is a go! (Tentative agreement to end strike 2023-11-08) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 13, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002 "2023-07-13T20:31:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/1 "2023-07-13T20:31:29Z")
As of midnight Friday, July 14, 2023. Quite frankly, the studios are the Bad Guys. Their streaming and AI positions are ridiculous. > **[July 13, 2023 - Actors will go on strike after contract talks collapse](https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/hollywood-actors-sag-aftra-strike-07-13-23/index.html)** > > SAG-AFTRA, the union that represents about 160,000 actors, is set to strike at midnight PT Friday morning after talks with major studios and streaming services have failed. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/2 "2023-07-13T22:23:07Z")
From what I’m reading, the studios wanted to offer actors one day’s pay to scan their likeness for AI, and then retain the right to use that likeness in perpetuity with no further redisuals or payments. Utterly astounding. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/3 "2023-07-13T22:44:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > From what I’m reading, the studios wanted to offer actors one day’s pay to scan their likeness for AI, and then retain the right to use that likeness in perpetuity with no further redisuals or payments. I heard this as well. Basically, SAG has to negotiate absolutely no us of A.I. imaging of themselves. I think it will end up being the only way to protect themselves and the future. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/4 "2023-07-13T23:40:53Z")
In theory, could voice actors in video games and such be in a similar bind with voice imitation software? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/5 "2023-07-13T23:48:32Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > From what I’m reading, the studios wanted to offer actors one day’s pay to scan their likeness for AI, and then retain the right to use that likeness in perpetuity with no further redisuals or payments. ⁢ > > I heard this as well. Basically, SAG has to negotiate absolutely no us of A.I. imaging of themselves. I think it will end up being the only way to protect themselves and the future. ⁢ Hmm. I would hope they’d set it up where an actor could voluntarily allow it, but that they (or their estate) would still get paid for every use. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/6 "2023-07-14T04:39:42Z")
…I’ve been pretty outspoken here about AI in terms of the writers strike. And what we have here is more of the same. That the AI proposal was dressed up as “ground-breaking” by the AMPTP and presented at the last minute says it all. This isn’t going to be over in a hurry. The two sides are just so far apart it isn’t funny. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/7 "2023-07-14T04:46:46Z")
I read the stars of Oppenheimer walked off the red carpet premier in the UK but I’m genuinely curious why, is it just a publicity stunt or does the SAG-AFTRA strike mean they also can no longer promote movies as actors? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/8 "2023-07-14T05:13:54Z")
I find this conflict terribly disappointing. I love movies – and a very few TV shows that the WGA strike knocked off the air – and was hoping that the WGA strike would be over soon. Instead it appears that the conflict with the studios is escalating into a wider one. This is going to cause a big gap in our stream of entertainment offerings. It’s all very sad. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/9 "2023-07-14T05:26:19Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > I read the stars of Oppenheimer walked off the red carpet premier in the UK but I’m genuinely curious why, is it just a publicity stunt or does the SAG-AFTRA strike mean they also can no longer promote movies as actors? The strike covers promotions or publicity work, including premieres, interviews, award shows, social media, film festivals, or fan conventions. > **[SAG-AFTRA Lists Strike Rules for Members: No Premieres, Awards Shows, Social...](https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/sag-strike-rules-no-interviews-premieres-fyc-events-1235669838/)** > > SAG outlines everything that actors won't be able to do during the strike. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/10 "2023-07-14T06:58:22Z")
I expect that Netflix will be showing a lot more Korean dramas. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/11 "2023-07-14T10:26:49Z")
The media corporations absolutely want to break the unions, and the unions know it. This will not be a short strike. (Also, the DGA look like morons for having approved their deal so quickly.) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/12 "2023-07-15T04:15:50Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > > [@Asuka](#): > > > > I read the stars of Oppenheimer walked off the red carpet premier in the UK but I’m genuinely curious why, is it just a publicity stunt or does the SAG-AFTRA strike mean they also can no longer promote movies as actors? > > The strike covers promotions or publicity work, including premieres, interviews, award shows, social media, film festivals, or fan conventions. > > [SAG Strike Rules: No Interviews, Premieres, FYC Events and More](https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/sag-strike-rules-no-interviews-premieres-fyc-events-1235669838/) That brings up a different issue. The premier was in the UK. Equity has voiced support for SAG-AFTRA but it’s illegal for Equity members to strike. Many of the actors that work in both countries are members of both unions. Any that are working under Equity contracts have to continue to work. [U.K. Actors Union Equity to Support SAG-AFTRA Strike by ‘All Lawful Means’](https://variety.com/2023/film/global/equity-sag-strike-actors-1235669700/amp/) ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/13 "2023-07-15T05:19:05Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > This is going to cause a big gap in our stream of entertainment offerings. Honestly, there has been just such a shit ton of decentish to very good TV (in particular, but also movies I’ve missed) released in the last decade that I haven’t checked out yet. I think I can generate a pretty massive backlog of at least minimally decent stuff to watch for quite awhile. Just watched Spotlight (2015) for the first time last night and that’s just the tip of the iceberg for me. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/14 "2023-07-15T06:00:34Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > In theory, could voice actors in video games and such be in a similar bind with voice imitation software? > **[Voice Actors Don’t Want You Using AI To Copy Their Voices](https://www.themarysue.com/voice-actors-dont-want-you-using-ai-to-copy-their-voices/)** > > As actors join the WGA strike, concerns grow over the many ways in which AI can be used to replace them. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Lichtman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeff_lichtman/32/1531_2.png) [@Jeff\_Lichtman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Lichtman)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/15 "2023-07-15T07:04:17Z")
I’m worried about the effect on movie theaters. No actors and no screenwriters will mean no new movies. The theater business has been suffering already, with pandemic lockdowns and many movie watchers switching to streaming. Many theaters have closed, the Regal chain is in bankruptcy, and the Landmark chain seems to be shrinking. Will audiences go to theaters to see previously released material? I don’t think the actors have any choice but to strike, but there could be a lot of collateral damage. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/16 "2023-07-15T14:31:31Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > the studios are the Bad Guys. Their streaming and AI positions are ridiculous Is there any chance/danger that, after the strike goes on long enough, that the studios could say ‘screw the actors, we’ll just start using only AI reproductions from now on anyway’? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/17 "2023-07-15T15:08:50Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > Is there any chance/danger that, after the strike goes on long enough, that the studios could say ‘screw the actors, we’ll just start using only AI reproductions from now on anyway’? Nobody chooses a movie to watch based on the studio that put it out (except maybe Troma fans.) In the end, the actors will win. The collateral damage, however, could be monumental and transformative. And not in a good way. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/18 "2023-07-15T17:40:39Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I think I can generate a pretty massive backlog of at least minimally decent stuff to watch for quite awhile. Same here. I have a ridiculous amount of shows/movies on my to watch lists. I could probably go a couple years by switching around different streamers. I don’t know if it’s true, but I read the last SAG strike was part of the reason reality tv got such a huge imprint on tv. I can’t even imagine what new horror will appear as this shakes out. Imagine, something _worse_ than reality tv. The mind boggles. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/19 "2023-07-15T20:15:22Z")
> [@Jeff\_Lichtman](#): > > I’m worried about the effect on movie theaters. No actors and no screenwriters will mean no new movies. The theater business has been suffering already, with pandemic lockdowns and many movie watchers switching to streaming. I haven’t watched a movie in a theater in more than 30 years. I’d be fine if all of them went to streaming-only. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002/20 "2023-07-15T20:19:58Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > > [@silenus](#): > > > > the studios are the Bad Guys. Their streaming and AI positions are ridiculous > > Is there any chance/danger that, after the strike goes on long enough, that the studios could say ‘screw the actors, we’ll just start using only AI reproductions from now on anyway’? Without an agreement in place there would be injunctions and lawsuits galore. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sag-aftra-strike-is-a-go-tentative-agreement-to-end-strike-2023-11-08/987002.md?page=2)