# Sam Brownback: The Crazy finally appears. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809 "2011-07-04T14:24:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2011, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/81 "2011-07-07T22:19:36Z")
Guess I should have read further… > [@David42](#): > > I am neither for nor against abortion on demand, if you would have read my first post. My post was all about a perceived hypocrisy of pro-choice people complaining when all the news story mentioned was wider doors and janitor’s closets. I concede the janitors closets sounded bad, until I thought of the importance of cleanliness in medicine and imagined the possibility of a janitor’s closet that was too small. Actually, your first post in this thread was in regards to “responsible spouse”. On to your next post - while you said you are a fence sitter on the abortion issue, everything you’ve said after that indicates that you are not. You know, looks/walks/quacks like a duck and all that? If nothing else, anyone who thinks that the medically correct use of RU486 is any more “life threatening” than, say, the allergy shots I get at a clinic with doors too narrow for a gurney, is either someone with so little knowledge they shouldn’t be posting, or a closet anti-choicer. > [@](#): > > I admitted long ago that Morgyn is right if there is something that unfairly is regulated–that has nothing to do with the service performed. At the same time I also said there is nothing wrong with writing a building code specific to what goes on in the building, or in health regulations specific to the type of practice. It happens all the time. Really? There are laws in affect that insist that one small section of medical care has to conform to much higher standards than any comparable medical care? Care to provide any cites? > [@](#): > > My only issue was with Morgyn guessing that other clinics do not already comply with the same regulations voluntarily or as a matter of law. Morgyn does not get to guess about how many clinics comply with what. Unless pro-abortionists hold she is right because of what side she is on. If by other clinics you mean those not providing abortions, I can tell you without guessing that not all are complying. I also have no idea why you are singling out **Morgyn** since I haven’t mentioned him/her at all, nor did I respond to anything you have said to him/her. I do note that you managed to ignore pretty much everything I said, which does go to prove that you are doing what you accuse other of - obfuscating and adding irrelevancies. > [@](#): > > The stuff about drugs was a tangent. Its really irrelevant. Not that I mentioned that in the post you are responding to, so why do you keep bringing it up? ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/82 "2011-07-08T00:23:27Z")
I think we’re going to have to start a thread again about how Sam Brownback is doing the crazy dance. This thread is turning into the “ **David42** vs. the world” thread. Every time abortion is even whispered about in a thread someone like **David42** appears and derails it. > **[Brownback evaluates first 6 months in office](https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/politics/state/2011/07/06/brownback-evaluates-first-6-months-office/16463567007/)** > > Flanked in a news conference Wednesday by about two dozen Cabinet secretaries and directors of state agencies, Gov. Sam Brownback credited his administration with the creation of 3,163 new jobs durin… Brownback sure can pat himself on the back, can’t he? Crediting HIS administration for creating over 3000 jobs. I sure couldn’t understand where he got those numbers. And to call what he’s doing “right-sizing” not cutting jobs and services. Don’t forget to read the comments that follow the article. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/83 "2011-07-08T01:33:59Z")
> [@David42](#): > > Your citations were all news articles, **not the regulations**. You did not cite this. [QUOTE=David42] My only agenda is for people to properly read and evaluate what is before them. [/QUOTE] Excellent, then you can read and evaluate the [entire text of the bill](http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/year1/measures/documents/sb36_enrolled.pdf) (PDF) which I’m putting “before” you. The one that was signed by “Solidified Santorum” and went into effect on July 1st. Then you can show us equally onerous regulations that apply to clinics in the state that don’t perform abortions. ---
**Author:** ![Lilacs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Lilacs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lilacs)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/84 "2011-07-08T01:40:13Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I think we’re going to have to start a thread again about how Sam Brownback is doing the crazy dance. This thread is turning into the “ **David42** vs. the world” thread. Every time abortion is even whispered about in a thread someone like **David42** appears and derails it. > > [Brownback evaluates first 6 months in office](http://cjonline.com/news/2011-07-06/brownback-evaluates-first-6-months-office) > > Brownback sure can pat himself on the back, can’t he? Crediting HIS administration for creating over 3000 jobs. I sure couldn’t understand where he got those numbers. And to call what he’s doing “right-sizing” not cutting jobs and services. > > Don’t forget to read the comments that follow the article. Yeah, well, I’m sure Sammy will provide us with lots more to complain about soon! I like how the federal money that should have gone to planned parenthood, and cannot be used for abortion or abortion related procedures, was given to Sedgwick county. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/85 "2011-07-08T01:41:16Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Excellent, then you can read and evaluate the [entire text of the bill](http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/year1/measures/documents/sb36_enrolled.pdf) (PDF) which I’m putting “before” you. The one that was signed by “Solidified Santorum” and went into effect on July 1st. Then you can show us equally onerous regulations that apply to clinics in the state that don’t perform abortions. Sadly, this is the law, not the regulations themselves. It specifies that these regulations must cover, but it doesn’t get into the detail work. I’m still trying to find a copy of the new regulations, but now it’s for my own edification. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/86 "2011-07-08T01:45:17Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Sadly, this is the law, not the regulations themselves. It specifies that these regulations must cover, but it doesn’t get into the detail work. I’m still trying to find a copy of the new regulations, but now it’s for my own edification. Yes, but many of the problems with it are present in this text, such as the accomodation for gurneys, female present when pelvic exam is performed, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/87 "2011-07-08T10:08:21Z")
> [@David42](#): > > You’re full of it and I would invite you to take a supersize dose of RU486 so that you will know all about it from experience rather than political soundbites and political correctness. [Moderating] Wishing harm or death on other posters is a violation of the board’s rules. Please avoid doing this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/88 "2011-07-08T15:00:47Z")
> [@David42](#): > > I am neither for nor against abortion on demand, if you would have read my first post. Really? > [@](#): > > Unless \*\*pro-abortionists \*\*hold she is right because of what side she is on. (Emphasis mine) I’m skeptical. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/89 "2011-07-08T15:01:34Z")
Where’s a debate judge when you need one? ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/90 "2011-07-08T18:29:33Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Excellent, then you can read and evaluate the [entire text of the bill](http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/year1/measures/documents/sb36_enrolled.pdf) (PDF) which I’m putting “before” you. The one that was signed by “Solidified Santorum” and went into effect on July 1st. Then you can show us equally onerous regulations that apply to clinics in the state that don’t perform abortions. I long ago clarified that my complaint may be one badly written news article that made it appear that legitimate safety concerns are being objected to by the pro-choice groups who claim safe abortions are their goal. But if you see red every time you see something that does not perfectly promote your view, it is easy to lose track of what all else is going on. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/91 "2011-07-08T18:34:15Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Really? > > (Emphasis mine) > > I’m skeptical. I do actually argue that a fair debater who is not trying to manipulate calls any specific group by the name the group itself wishes to be called. This was bait, done purposefully to see if someone who didn’t complain about pro-life groups would rake me over the coals for it. Now please also complain of pro-choice groups calling pro-life groups “anti-choice.” Anti-choice is not a fair description because it makes the pro-lifers look like they support rape, which they do not (in general; though a nut job here and there might) and if you want to be fair, call them by the name they call themselves. (I had called pro-choice people pro-abortionists) All people have biases. The only truly stupid irrational thing is to not be able to see your own biases. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/92 "2011-07-08T19:19:07Z")
> [@David42](#): > > Now please also complain of pro-choice groups calling pro-life groups “anti-choice.” Pro-choice is an accurate description of that groups beliefs, pro-abortion is not. Anti-choice is an accurate description of that groups beliefs, pro-life is not. > [@](#): > > Anti-choice is not a fair description because it makes the pro-lifers look like they support rape, which they do not What? That makes no sense. > [@](#): > > All people have biases. The only truly stupid irrational thing is to not be able to see your own biases. Pot. Kettle. Black. ---
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/93 "2011-07-08T20:03:58Z")
> [@David42](#): > > I do actually argue that a fair debater who is not trying to manipulate calls any specific group by the name the group itself wishes to be called. So you admit that you aren’t a fair debater and that you are trying to manipulate people. > [@](#): > > This was bait… Oh sorry, I stand corrected, you are a troll. > [@](#): > > Anti-choice is not a fair description because it makes the pro-lifers look like they support rape, which they do not (in general; though a nut job here and there might) and if you want to be fair, call them by the name they call themselves. > > (I had called pro-choice people pro-abortionists) The terms are applied regarding positions on abortion, conflating that with rape is insulting and bizarre. > [@](#): > > All people have biases. The only truly stupid irrational thing is to not be able to see your own biases. You seem to be the expert on truly stupid irrational, thanks for the expert advice. ---
**Author:** ![heatmiserfl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@heatmiserfl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heatmiserfl)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/94 "2011-07-09T02:41:18Z")
> [@David42](#): > > As I am a fence sitter on the abortion issue, and willing to realize that in some cases there just aren’t any perfect answers, :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/95 "2011-07-09T13:38:52Z")
> [@David42](#): > > Now please also complain of pro-choice groups calling pro-life groups “anti-choice.” That makes not sense. I’ll complain if I find someone who says he or she is on the fence and uses the term anti-choice. You said you were on the fence. You used the nonsense term pro-abortion. Man, you really gotta work on your debating. I’m no master debater and even I can see that. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/96 "2011-07-09T15:13:41Z")
There’s a fairly significant qualitative difference between “anti-choice” and “pro-abortion”–as has been said before, almost no one would actually be happy if there were more abortions qua abortions, and if you find that guy, then you can call him “pro-abortion”. The rest of us just think it’s immoral for the option to not exist, hence “pro-choice”. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809/97 "2011-07-09T16:06:03Z")
I just hope Tennessee doesn’t hear about this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-brownback-the-crazy-finally-appears/587809.md?page=4)