# Sam Stone believes Trump's tweets **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633 "2020-10-10T13:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/283 "2020-10-19T09:48:06Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Some nits there, although I do agree that a few from the left are dunderheads on that. There are crazies, idiots and ignoramuses on all sides of every topic - there is no question about this. The problem is that the Right have been electing theirs to high office in recent years. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/284 "2020-10-19T14:01:44Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [He posted several times the fake meme that paints the writer of “Silent Spring”, Rachel Carson, as a murderer. (and hence all environmentalists) Because of the ban of DDT allegedly caused millions of deaths, when that was not the case, not only it was not banned outside the USA, but it was caused also by one item that many conservatives refuse to believe: **evolution**. It was the reason for the mosquitoes becoming immune to DDT.](https://e360.yale.edu/features/rachel_carsons_critics_keep_on_but_she_told_truth_about_ddt) > > [There was never an acknowledgement from Sam of how wrong that was](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worst-thread-20th-century-woman/306354/9), and never a hint about what was his source then. And about ten years after that, I pointed at his error again when he posted that in a more recent and different thread, to no avail. What’s strange here is that anyone who’s actually read the book knows that it’s _not_ a broad anti-pestcide never-shall-we-ever screed. I certainly thought it was going in, based on how it’s portrayed and discussed. ETA aside from the whole not actually being banned thing. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/285 "2020-10-19T22:02:29Z")
I guess tomorrow is the day that we find out if the Department of Justice is correct in thier assertion that Trump is full of shit. Or, alternatively, that Trump actually did order everything declassified and unredacted, in which case the Mueller Report is out there in all it’s unredacted glory. > On Oct. 8, Walton, a **George W. Bush** appointee, [ordered](https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1314367289295331329?s=20) the DOJ to “confer with the White House in order to advise the Court as to the White House’s official position regarding declassification and release to the public of information related to the Russia investigation.” Walton also ordered the DOJ to file by Oct. 13 a response in opposition to BuzzFeed’s motion, addressing whether President Trump really did waive—by tweeting—the Freedom of Information Act exemptions that the DOJ previously relied on to redact the Mueller Report and FBI 302s. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/286 "2020-10-20T05:23:52Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > But Sam, you are unbalanced. What you perceive as a board becoming a mononoculture is you slipping further and further away from a healthy culture into teh crazy. I have no opinion on Sam’s mental health but this board is slowly becoming a monoculture. There are damn few conservatives left. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/287 "2020-10-20T05:39:46Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I have no opinion on Sam’s mental health but this board is slowly becoming a monoculture. There are damn few conservatives left. Hard to take that seriously when the example pointed in my last post showed that Sam has internalized the general idea that scientists involved in environmental matters are mass murderers. There is really very little god faith that can come out of him when one figures out that he believes misleading information that tells him that when he encounters people that look at science and logic to make sense of the world that they are enablers of heinous crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/288 "2020-10-20T05:56:18Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Because this board has reached a critical mass of lefties who have made it their mission to attack, ridicule, and essentially run off anyone who doesn’t think like they do. It’s rather pathetic, and it’s eventually going to kill this message board. Sam, yes, there is a critical mass but no one is Pickering on you. You are aware, of course, that peaceful nuclear power is a Liberal thing, brought about by the federal Liberal Minister of Everything following WWII. NRU was the world’s oldest reactor when it closed a couple of years ago, after its isotopes saved countless lives, a tremendous lot, it gave what it got, in its twenty-two thousand days. It was designed and built by Liberals – the immigrant manager of engineering, the nice, really really really nice chief civil engineer, the geeky nuclear engineer, the barrier breaking female head of security – all Liberals, even the fellow who suited up, grabbed a couple of wrenches, went into the cooled down chamber to clean up NRU after it pissed itself – yes, that same liberal who went on to become the tree-huggingest, social community buildingest, hand-holding globalist that has ever been a President of the now festering shithole of extreme right wing fetishism on our southern border. Fast forward to today. Who has greenlighted SMRs? Liberals. What is the Liberal government’s position of peaceful nuclear power? > [@](#): > > The Government of Canada views nuclear energy as an important component of a diversified energy mix. It has taken necessary measures to ensure the long term development of nuclear energy as a sustainable energy source in meeting our existing and future energy requirements. When properly managed, nuclear energy can contribute effectively and significantly to sustainable development objectives. The Canadian nuclear energy program is a very important component of Canada’s economy and energy mix. Sam, you keep throwing little balls of defecate derision at your bewildered adversaries because they are balanced liberals who in your remarkably biased opinion are blocking new nuclear erections, when the simple fact of the matter is that nuclear power generation in Canada has always been a liberal thing and it has always been moderated in balance with other vital considerations, including health, environment, economy et alia, you know, things that your extreme right brethren do not give a flying fuck about. So get your facts straight and stop whining like a child. Grow the fuck up and stop drinking cool-aid. > **[Nuclear Energy](https://natural-resources.canada.ca/energy/energy-sources-distribution/uranium-nuclear-energy/nuclear-energy/7711)** > > The Canadian Nuclear Energy Technology ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/289 "2020-10-20T09:16:35Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I doubt very much he is fooled in the slightest by Trump&Co. But the conservative side has been gutted for years by unscrupulous right wing lunacy, culminating (I hope) with Trump. That just doesn’t explain why Trump’s tweet sailed right through Sam’s mental defenses. We all have blind spots here and there, and most thinking adults will take some time for reflection after a mistake of this kind has been made. We check our sources, we bolster our skepticism, and so on. But the right-wing media has, for decades, been dismantling the ability of their supporters to be skeptical. Part of this is just a constant push for tribalism, so that if you find someone that goes against your beliefs, then the fact that they oppose your tribe is reason enough to doubt them. They have also never missed an opportunity to tear down those with “elite” knowledge and promote their own fact-free version of events. Eventually, all these things add up, and you’re left with a gullible husk of an mind that is no longer capable of digging itself out of the hole it got into. The first step would be to at least _acknowledge_ the mistake, and we can see that even that ability has been lost. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > The left meanwhile, has become more progressive to the point where most traditional conservatives can’t find it tolerable. That’s what they _say_, certainly. But Nixon founded the EPA and supported universal health care, so he’d be a far-left radical by the standards of modern Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/290 "2020-10-20T10:43:41Z")
What are the chances now that @Sam_Stone comes back with a “question” about Hunter Biden’s supposed laptop? Sam, are you still buying what the Trump campaign is selling? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/291 "2020-10-20T10:46:53Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I have no opinion on Sam’s mental health but this board is slowly becoming a monoculture. There are damn few conservatives left. This **thread** has had vigorous disagreements around nuclear power and GMOs. We’ve had lots of arguments around here about school vouchers, about the role of big tech, about the tension between religious freedom and other human rights, about conditions under which schools should reopen in the pandemic, about the root causes of racial inequalities, about reparations, about the proper role (if any ) of ICE, and more. But people who come here fronting with their Trumpian nonsense get dogpiled, so you call it a monoculture? Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/292 "2020-10-20T13:21:32Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > > [@Muffin](#): > > > > But Sam, you are unbalanced. What you perceive as a board becoming a mononoculture is you slipping further and further away from a healthy culture into teh crazy. > > I have no opinion on Sam’s mental health but this board is slowly becoming a monoculture. There are damn few conservatives left. If “conservative” means Trump-supporter, fascist, conspiracist, authoritarian, or white supremacist, then there is no need for conservative participation in rational modern democratic society. All disagreements over actual policy can and do take place within liberalism itself. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/293 "2020-10-20T13:23:51Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > That just doesn’t explain why Trump’s tweet sailed right through Sam’s mental defenses. We all have blind spots here and there, and most thinking adults will take some time for reflection after a mistake of this kind has been made. We check our sources, we bolster our skepticism, and so on. That would be the rational approach, but people are not perfectly rational. I heard a podcast a while ago about the events described in [this book](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails). In short, it’s about a group who believed that a UFO was coming to save them from the destruction of the world, and the researchers who studied (and infiltrated) them to see what they would do when the UFO didn’t arrive. Many of their reactions were not purely rational, either. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/294 "2020-10-20T13:41:21Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I have no opinion on Sam’s mental health but this board is slowly becoming a monoculture. There are damn few conservatives left. There are some rather enthusiastic debates taking place on the board, so this is an odd claim. I think what you mean is the board doesn’t have many REPUBLICANS. I sure as shit hope your definition of what constitutes a broad SDMB community isn’t “lots of Republicans and other people,” because that’s an odd definition to say the least. “Republican” doesn’t even mean “conservative.” If the board doesn’t have a great many Republicans, well, that’s largely because the Republican Party has become a fanatic party of Trumpists, a group that will not do well on a board where people are expected to bring facts and solid arguments. It has to be said again; there is no equivalence between Trumpists and reasonable people. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/295 "2020-10-20T13:43:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What are the chances now that @Sam_Stone comes back with a “question” about Hunter Biden’s supposed laptop? Sam, are you still buying what the Trump campaign is selling? I believe scientists have discovered that the hardest substance in the world is the head of a right wing conservative faced with evidence from the left that his claims are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/296 "2020-10-20T14:05:36Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I believe scientists have discovered that the hardest substance in the world is the head of a right wing conservative faced with evidence from the left that his claims are wrong. Interestingly, I’m right now preparing a lesson for my fourth graders on confirmation bias. I believe the children are our future… ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/297 "2020-10-20T14:27:33Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I believe the children are our future… I don’t know if we have that kind of time. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/298 "2020-10-20T18:01:14Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > But people who come here fronting with their Trumpian nonsense get dogpiled, so you call it a monoculture? I sure do. Just because we’re debating many topics doesn’t mean we’re not a monoculture. How many conservatives are left who post regularly? I used to always read Bricker or XT; I often disagreed with them but they brought good ideas to the table and I learned from them. But now we’re just left with all Republicans/conservatives are evil. A recent thread said conservatives believe they have the right to kill people and there was little push-back. How many Pit threads do we have calling out a liberal poster for something dumb they said and trying to get them to admit they’re wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/299 "2020-10-20T18:07:01Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > But now we’re just left with all Republicans/conservatives are evil. The Republican President said, out loud, that we shouldn’t elect the Democrat because he’ll listen to scientists. If you defend that man, don’t come to a place that has been fighting ignorance since 1973. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/300 "2020-10-20T18:24:49Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > if a conservative steps just slightly outside the bounds of what the liberals think is acceptable Maybe you’ve had your head in the sand this whole time, but this is not in any way about conservative vs. liberal ideology/policy. It’s about a destructive lying president. I’m sick of every “moderate” conservative whining about how liberals treat them unfairly because they’re conservative. Look, you can go on about whatever economic ideas you may have, and folks might agree or disagree, but will generally engage in a debate with you. Believing Trump isn’t, or shouldn’t be, a conservative position. If you feel that believing Trump is specifically part of conservative ideology, then you’re an acolyte. If not, then don’t pretend like this is a conservative/liberal disagreement; the man serving as president is a dishonest crook. Pointing that out (and holding others to task for denying it) is not a “liberal” position. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/301 "2020-10-20T18:46:38Z")
Deeg, are you able to identify the posters in this thread who are conservative other than Sam? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/302 "2020-10-20T18:54:35Z")
It’s been said multiple times, but “conservative” does not equal “Trump lie enabler” IMO, there are plenty of “conservatives” on the SDMB. Some (Bricker) seem to have left because they were not able to reconcile the Trump presidency with “their team”, and could not defend Trump using logical reasoning. Some have maintained their conservative views, while agreeing that Trump is a shit stained excuse for a human being. They can repudiate him while still holding conservative values. It’s actually not that hard to do. Others have gone all in on Trumpism. Trump is the best. As far as they are concerned, Trump = Conservatism. So they must, MUST defend every asinine thing that drops out of his mouth hole. These are the people who get piled on. They have given up conservatism in favor of Trumpism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=16)