# Sam Stone believes Trump's tweets **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633 "2020-10-10T13:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/323 "2020-10-21T01:07:07Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > One more thing, -actually several, but this example will do- one of the biggest and most serious calumnies was believed and pressed by Sam Stone on several occasions and AFAIK he never admitted how wrong he was after me and others pointed at the evidence. > > [He posted several times the fake meme that paints the writer of “Silent Spring”, Rachel Carson, as a murderer. (and hence all environmentalists) Because of the ban of DDT allegedly caused millions of deaths, when that was not the case, not only it was not banned outside the USA, but it was caused also by one item that many conservatives refuse to believe: **evolution**. It was the reason for the mosquitoes becoming immune to DDT.](https://e360.yale.edu/features/rachel_carsons_critics_keep_on_but_she_told_truth_about_ddt) > > [There was never an acknowledgement from Sam of how wrong that was](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worst-thread-20th-century-woman/306354/9), and never a hint about what was his source then. And about ten years after that, I pointed at his error again when he posted that in a more recent and different thread, to no avail. I’m a very long time lurker. I remember that thread. I actually learned something reading it. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/324 "2020-10-21T03:19:05Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The Internatiinal Socialists in Germany thought they’d help bring about socialism with their hardball street tactics. Instead, they facilitated the rise of the Nazis. Sam, Sam, Sam, associating the present North American left with the growth of Nazism in Germany is further evidence of you having imbibed deeply in the cool aid. From the get-go, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party’s 25 point plan was first and last ultra-nationalist, racist, anti-marxist and anti-commie. Its soft centre was cool-aid by way of promises that would attract wage earners rather than producers and capitalists and thereby pull people in from true socialist organizations. The plan worked, not by meeting its promises to the proletariat, but instead gathering enough ultra-nationalist and racist support from the proletariat that it was able to take and hold power. We all know how that worked out, and we know all to well who the proletariat elected to the Presidency in the USA for years ago. Ultra-nationalist, ultra racist, ultra-anti-proletariat policies with a helping of cool-aid worked in Germany for the Nazi’s, and it has been working the U.S.A., where the richest country in the world is still fighting the civil war and white militias are no better than terrorists, which arguably has the highest incarceration rate in the world in which blacks are grossly over-represented, where gun death rates are off the scale, covid-19 rates are off the scale, and which is the only G7 country without universal health care, with the USA’s closest comparator Canada having universal health care resulting on a per capita basis in longer lives, healthier lives, less cost out of the public purse and less cost out of people’s pockets. Hitler attempted a putsch with his ultra-right goons. The USA Republicans have their ultra-right goons standing by, loyal to the Republican cause. Cool-aid, Sam. A lot of Germans fell for it then. A lot of Americans presently have fallen for it. You fell for it. Since you do not fit in any of the present political parties, by all means start your own, but please, but back off on the cool-aid. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/325 "2020-10-21T04:12:54Z")
And of course that wasn’t my point. A dumb conservative post is going to get hammered, a dumb liberal post largely gets ignores, rarely pitted. To some degree that’s not anyone’s fault; a dumb conservative post is going to trigger a lot more Dopers than a dumb liberal one. Look at how much shit Sam has taken. That ends up driving away the thoughtful posters, making the problem only worse. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/326 "2020-10-21T04:17:53Z")
> [@naita](#): > > Oh right, growing riots and the left looks away. So it’s not just Trump lies you fall for hook, line and sinker when they tickle your biases. This is what I’ve been saying in this thread. The problem is not that @Sam_Stone believed a Trump Tweet. The Trump Tweet was the cherry on top of an enormous bullshit sundae. Sam believes countless thing that are clearly and obviously false. He is not in a position that can be reasoned with. He may have once been a valuable poster. Now he’s completely bonkers. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/327 "2020-10-21T04:31:50Z")
And you heard it here, folks. Trump’s flunkie admits that the blowhard-in-chief didn’t mean what he said, or say what he meant. The Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows, has clarified in a court filing today that the Blowhard-in-Chief in the White House crawls down: > [@](#): > > The President indicated to me that his statements on Twitter were not self-executing declassification orders and do not require the declassification or release of any particular documents, including the FD-302 reports of witness interviews prepared by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in connection with the investigation conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, III. Instead the President’s statements related to the authorization he had provided the Attorney General to declassify documents as part of his ongoing review of intelligence activities relating to the 2016 Presidential election and certain related matters. The President’s statements do not requiring altering any redactions on any record at issue in these or any other cases, including, but not limited to, any redactions taken to any discretionary FOIA exemptions. [https://www.axios.com/mark-meadows-trump-tweets-russia-25ac5379-c19a-4978-bdd7-ab9577fe800e.html](https://www.axios.com/mark-meadows-trump-tweets-russia-25ac5379-c19a-4978-bdd7-ab9577fe800e.html) As usual, the Blowhard-in-Chief shot his mouth off without understanding the meaning. What he _really_ meant to say was “I’ve told Billy Barr he can look at the classified documents to see if he can dig up any political dirt that I can use for my re-election.” ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/328 "2020-10-21T05:22:55Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Their willingness to look the other way while riots grow in in cities around the country is perhaps the single most dangerous thing they could do - in part because it gives support to people like Trump, and encourages the rise of right-wing militias Why is it that when left-wing protests spring up in response to police violence, it’s the fault of the left; and when right-wing militias spring up in response to the protests, it’s also the fault of the left? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/329 "2020-10-21T07:02:19Z")
Deeg, have you been able to determine who are the conservative posters in this thread? If you can not, then your argument fails. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/330 "2020-10-21T11:41:43Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > And of course that wasn’t my point. A dumb conservative post is going to get hammered, a dumb liberal post largely gets ignores, rarely pitted. To some degree that’s not anyone’s fault; a dumb conservative post is going to trigger a lot more Dopers than a dumb liberal one. False equivalency. _ **Plonk** _ ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/331 "2020-10-21T12:14:09Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > a dumb liberal post largely gets ignores, rarely pitted. We do have a Stupid Liberal Idea of the Day thread, which hasn’t seen much action lately. Perhaps you’d care to revive it? The Republicans have made so many ignorant and erroneous proclamations lately, stupid liberal ideas have been eclipsed. Here’s your chance to right the balance. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/332 "2020-10-21T14:18:59Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Does anyone here fucking READ? I am NOT a Trump supporter. Yes, you are. You berated people for not believing a tweet from Trump that was an obvious lie from the get-go, and are still not willing to even call it a lie, just to weasel word that it ‘looks like’ a lie now. > [@](#): > > Their willingness to look the other way while riots grow in in cities around the country is perhaps the single most dangerous thing they could do - in part because it gives support to people like Trump, and encourages the rise of right-wing militias. They’re not looking the other way, they’re looking at the actual causes - especially unchecked racist police violence. And calling ‘protests where the police attack protestors with chemical weapons’ riots is… a bit of a stretch in the first place. Or blaming libruls for riots when so many of the violent incidents turn out to be caused by right-wing militia groups and their sympathizers. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/333 "2020-10-21T15:31:02Z")
What is with this morbid fear and fascination with “riots?” Sam\_Stone is not the only conservative to chronically bring this up (Octopus is fanatically riven by the issue) but I wasn’t even aware that they were ongoing. And even when the protests were at their peak of activity, much of the violence was initiated by law enforcement or right wing provocateurs. But, my god, to listen to our right wing friends, we have to re-elect Donald Trump or the streets will burn. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/334 "2020-10-21T15:32:49Z")
It’s so that, when Trump loses, and the MAGAt boogaloos start actually burning down the cities, they can make a claim of bothsideism. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/335 "2020-10-21T15:33:31Z")
Heh. It occurred to me, after posting [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-probably-committed-voter-fraud/923461/2), that this sort of treatment of dumb liberal posts is routine. They’re treated with the same disdain as dumb conservative posts, but the liberals don’t immediately go all martyr complex about it when their claims are refuted. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/336 "2020-10-21T15:33:37Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Or blaming libruls for riots when so many of the violent incidents turn out to be caused by right-wing militia groups and their sympathizers. And one should never ever forget that Trump decided to pour gasoline on the fire, both by his acts and by his words. > **[The battle of Lafayette Square and the undermining of American democracy |...](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-battle-of-lafayette-square-and-the-undermining-of-american-democracy/)** > > The military serves the Constitution and the interests of the American people, not the political and personal interests of the individual in the White House. Deploying them in American streets undermines democracy. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/337 "2020-10-21T15:56:31Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > What is with this morbid fear and fascination with “riots?” Sam\_Stone is not the only conservative to chronically bring this up (Octopus is fanatically riven by the issue) but I wasn’t even aware that they were ongoing. And even when the protests were at their peak of activity, much of the violence was initiated by law enforcement or right wing provocateurs. > > But, my god, to listen to our right wing friends, we have to re-elect Donald Trump or the streets will burn. I see it as an innate conservative desire for authoritative state enforcement of “Law & Order”. Demand for social change and justice is bad if it requires conservatives to accept change, thus, any protest by the left is seen as a threat. Any violent pushback from the right is seen as net good because it’s simply an attempt to restore the status quo. Hence, the distorted reasoning that while militias and white supremacy is “bad”, the progressive left and uppity minorities are the ones to blame for stocking those fires. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/338 "2020-10-21T16:01:20Z")
It’s fear of blacks. American conservatism is a white nationalist movement. Its adherents are afraid of blacks. Hence the “all lives matter” bullshit. Wild eyed blacks hopped up on jazz are coming to take their white women. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/339 "2020-10-21T16:12:51Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > It’s fear of blacks. American conservatism is a white nationalist movement. Its adherents are afraid of blacks. Why are you so MEEAAAAANNNN? Why do you say such MEAN things about CONSERVATIVVVVVVVES? Don’t you know that trying to analyze the shortcomings of their political movement is BEING A MOBBBBBBBBBB? You’re like, you’re like HITLERRRRRRRR! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/340 "2020-10-21T16:24:10Z")
We’re wasting our time. Sam has already said he wasn’t going to come back to this thread to debate this topic because everyone here who challenges him in a mean or dismissive way is an _asshole_. Anyway, we all know the rules in the Pit prohibit anyone from making a cogent argument and everyone is required to respond to that argument by being as big of an asshole as possible. No productive discussions have ever taken place here. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/341 "2020-10-21T16:36:54Z")
You’re right, liberals being a little whiny and maybe pretentious from time to time is exactly the same thing as the leader of the Republican party praising nazis. Because both things are wrong, I can never comment on the GOP’s violent racist behavior. They have found the loophole. If we keep being mean to violent racists on this board, soon there won’t be anyone on this board to defend white supremacy. Is that really the kind of community you want? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/342 "2020-10-21T17:59:32Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > If we keep being mean to violent racists on this board, soon there won’t be anyone on this board to defend white supremacy. Is that really the kind of community you want? You’re trying to _trick_ me, aren’t you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=18)