# Sam Stone believes Trump's tweets **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633 "2020-10-10T13:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/423 "2020-10-27T03:47:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Why are you still promoting this bullshit? Are you being held hostage by illiberal leftists who are forcing you to type blatant nonsense? I remember debating politics with an ardent Quebec sovereigntist many years ago who, in reply to my declarations that the current pro-Quebec political realities of Canada run counter to historic injustices, told me that (regardless) perceptions ARE realties, nothing less. I think you have just accurately described @Sam_Stone’s perception (his personal reality). ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/424 "2020-10-27T03:49:49Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Technically Mueller wasn’t looking for “collusion” as it’s not a meaningful legal term. But Mueller did find substantial evidence of 140 (IIRC) instances of close interaction with and coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, and the recent Senate report supports the Mueller Report conclusions. (Spoiler alert: it wasn’t just social media activity.) I agree with this for the most part. Mueller states up front that since collusion is not a crime, he was not going to weigh in, one way or another, on collusion. He then went on to describe, “140 (IIRC) instances of close interaction with and coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia.” Many of those interactions satisfy the ordinary, everyday definition of collusion. It is completely bonkers for someone, with any familiarity with the Mueller Report, to say, “What I haven’t seen evidence for is collusion between Trump and Russia. To be fair, neither did Mueller, remember?” Completely. Bonkers. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/425 "2020-10-27T04:08:01Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > It is completely bonkers for someone, with any familiarity with the Mueller Report, to say, “What I haven’t seen evidence for is collusion between Trump and Russia. To be fair, neither did Mueller, remember?” > > Completely. Bonkers. Sam doesn’t know a single thing about the Muller report that wasn’t spoken of in indignant tones from some RW media dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/426 "2020-10-27T04:42:55Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > the Steele Dossier, since the contents of the dossier came from a Russian with connections to the government. The same Steele dossier that the public first heard about in December of 2016? > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > What I haven’t seen evidence for is collusion between Trump and Russia. > **[report\_volume5.pdf](https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf)** > > 50.00 MB Feel free to take a read as Senate Republicans detail exactly how the Trump campaign and Russia communicated throughout the election. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > To be fair, neither did Mueller, remember? Mueller also spent half of his report detailing how the Trump administration openly and blatantly obstructed his investigation. It was an analogy to “we investigated ourselves, and found we did nothing wrong”. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Magnitsky act. Sanctions. Baby Trump took a meeting with Russians to discuss removing sanctions. Before the election. You’re either happily ignorant of actual facts while peddling easily-debunked bullshit, or you don’t actually give a damn. Either way, you deserve the condemnation and ridicule you receive. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/427 "2020-10-27T09:59:06Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The denial of racial superiority OR racial guilt, treating individuals based on their character and actions rather than their race Aaah, one of _those_. Just another “I don’t see race” privileged asshole. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/428 "2020-10-27T15:37:18Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > the Steele Dossier, since the contents of the dossier came from a Russian with connections to the government. > > The same Steele dossier that the public first heard about in December of 2016? > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > What I haven’t seen evidence for is collusion between Trump and Russia. > > [https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report\_volume5.pdf](https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf) > > Feel free to take a read as Senate Republicans detail exactly how the Trump campaign and Russia communicated throughout the election. > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > To be fair, neither did Mueller, remember? > > Mueller also spent half of his report detailing how the Trump administration openly and blatantly obstructed his investigation. It was an analogy to “we investigated ourselves, and found we did nothing wrong”. > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > Magnitsky act. > > Sanctions. Baby Trump took a meeting with Russians to discuss removing sanctions. Before the election. > > You’re either happily ignorant of actual facts while peddling easily-debunked bullshit, or you don’t actually give a damn. Either way, you deserve the condemnation and ridicule you receive. I was under the impression that “Magnitsky Act” was shorthand for “sanctions.” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/429 "2020-10-27T15:54:37Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Aaah, one of _those_ . Just another “I don’t see race” privileged asshole. Yes, I’m part of those roving gangs of assholes going around treating people as individuals and not pre-judging them based on the color of their skin. The horror. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I was under the impression that “Magnitsky Act” was shorthand for “sanctions.” It is. The Magnitsky act put sanctions on Russia for the killing of Sergei Magnitsky in a Russian jail. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/430 "2020-10-27T16:00:38Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Yes, I’m part of those roving gangs of assholes going around treating people as individuals and not pre-judging them based on the color of their skin. The horror. Is _that_ what you’re doing? And here I thought you were using race-blindness as a convenient smoke screen for ignoring white privilege and systemic racism. Silly me… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/431 "2020-10-27T16:01:57Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Yes, I’m part of those roving gangs of assholes going around treating people as individuals and not pre-judging them based on the color of their skin. How have you managed to bypass or suppress all the messages society has been sending you, most of which white people don’t even detect, about the inferiority of black people and the superiority of white people? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/432 "2020-10-27T16:15:17Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Yes, I’m part of those roving gangs of assholes going around treating people as individuals and not pre-judging them based on the color of their skin. The horror. Nah, the horror is that you are supporting the leaders that do so. > **[Trump's Republican Party is defined by racism and those who tolerate it: GOP...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/02/republicans-embrace-trump-racism-give-up-on-black-voters-column/5559249002/)** > > I’ve worked on winning Republican races across the South, and I’ve never seen a racist appeal like Trump's succeed. Why won't his party challenge him? [https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-emphasis-on-racial-divides-worries-republicans-11594164503](https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-emphasis-on-racial-divides-worries-republicans-11594164503) > **[How the Right Wing Convinces Itself That Liberals Are Evil | Washington Monthly](https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/07/15/how-the-right-wing-convinces-itself-that-liberals-are-evil/)** > > Since the 1950s, the conservative movement has justified bad behavior—including supporting Donald Trump—by persuading itself that the left is worse. Ever since Trump embraced birtherism (and he claimed later that he did drop it, but in Trumpian fashion he was reported to still believing on it) it is very naive to support a party that supports such a ruler. And about what you willfully avoided early: when are you going to accept that Republicans are dead wrong about ignoring climate change and have you stopped to listen to the misleaders of that and have you finally learned why your sources did lie to you about Rachel Carson? ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/433 "2020-10-27T16:22:31Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > If I had to guess, I suspect the trouble you’re having is that your ideology is garbage, > > My ‘ideology’ is pretty much that of the enlightenment. Free speech, free association, a focus on the individual instead of the collective. The denial of racial superiority OR racial guilt, treating individuals based on their character and actions rather than their race or gender, allowing maximum freedom within the constructs of a civil society, a state that maintains civil society and peace rather than trying to manipulate or control it for ideological ends, a social safety net that helps the truly in need without becoming a crutch, a government fhat lives within its means, etc. That’s a good summary of the ideology of center to center-right Democrats like Biden. So why are you supporting people who actively reject all of that? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/434 "2020-10-27T16:26:29Z")
Because RW media gives him an emotional rush. Sam is a dog salivating at a bell. Hannity telling him something outrageous about Dems dumps warm, satisfied happiness into his brain. He’s an addict that’ll believe anything, convince himself of anything for the next hit. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/435 "2020-10-27T16:27:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How have you managed to bypass or suppress all the messages society has been sending you, most of which white people don’t even detect, about the inferiority of black people and the superiority of white people? How do you know that and given person does not detect them, and that they are thus so brainwashed that they will be hopelessly and irredeemably racist? And furthermore, even if many people have subtle prejudices that they recognize and try to correct for, that this _still_ has more impact on society than the 30% or so of Americans who are outwardly so okay with racism that they vote for an obvious and documented racist? To me it seems like the obvious problem _is_ individual racism which is enabling and historically has created institutional racism, not the alleged cryptoracism of every person who happened to be born with a certain amount of melanin. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/436 "2020-10-27T16:28:22Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > That’s a good summary of the ideology of center to center-right Democrats like Biden. See, I read that as **Sam\_Stone** espousing ideologically Randian philosophy. Given his posting history, it’s much more in line with is political views. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/437 "2020-10-27T16:33:58Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > How do you know that and given person does not detect them, and that they are thus so brainwashed that they will be hopelessly and irredeemably racist? Huh? No idea what this has to do with my post. I’ve called no one, much less Sam, “hopelessly and irredeemably racist”. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/438 "2020-10-27T16:36:04Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > See, I read that as **Sam\_Stone** espousing ideologically Randian philosophy. Given his posting history, it’s much more in line with is political views. Any social safety net is explicitly non-Randian, so even a social safety net just for those who really need it is not ideologically in line with her. Aside from that , I was commenting on the words that I quoted in my post, not a bunch of other stuff in his posting history, and interpreting them at face value rather than as Republican doublespeak (like ‘freedom of association’ actually meaning ‘it’s fine to have a “no dogs or chinese” sign’). ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/439 "2020-10-27T16:37:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Huh? No idea what this has to do with my post. I’ve called no one, much less Sam, “hopelessly and irredeemably racist”. You implied that it is impossible for him to treat people like people and not pre-judging them. However, I agree with Gigo that even if that is the case, that > [@GIGObuster](#): > > the horror is that you are supporting the leaders that do so. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/440 "2020-10-27T16:43:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Huh? No idea what this has to do with my post. I’ve called no one, much less Sam, “hopelessly and irredeemably racist”. Don’t do that. Because you sorta did. Using a very wide brush. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How have you managed to bypass or suppress all the messages society has been sending you, most of which white people don’t even detect, about the inferiority of black people and the superiority of white people? Now, maybe your point is that all people, regardless of ethnic background, have a tendency to be influenced by social bias about the “other”. Which is fair enough. But you were very specific about it with respect to Sam\_Stone and about a very specific racial bias. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/441 "2020-10-27T17:09:08Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Because you sorta did. Like fuck, he did. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/442 "2020-10-27T17:09:35Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Like fuck, he did. I stand corrected. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=23)