# Sam Stone believes Trump's tweets **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633 "2020-10-10T13:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/523 "2020-11-09T06:19:31Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Has it occurred to anyone else that Sam might just be a complete fucking moron? Someone needed to fill ~~Starving Artist’s~~ ~~Clothahump’s~~ ~~Shodan’s~~ _you’re favoret ijit hear_ shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/524 "2020-11-11T03:30:20Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Has it occurred to anyone else that Sam might just be a complete fucking moron? _raises hand_ ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/525 "2020-11-17T23:19:59Z")
Sam’s an odd duck. That’s fine. I’ve always like what might possibly be his theme song: John Prine: [Sam Stone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLVWEYUqGew). Course, [Illegal Smile](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY4HueJheFw) is pretty good too. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/526 "2020-11-17T23:25:30Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Sam’s an odd duck. Although not as odd as some. **J** ive **Tur** key **88** the Contrarian comes to mind. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/527 "2020-12-03T04:45:45Z")
> [@Hunter Biden Laptop Question](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/553): > > You mean Eric Holder’s justice department? Or Eric Holder, who described his job of Attorney General as being ‘Barack Obama’s Wingman’, and who was cited for contempt of Congress for refusing to respond to legal subpoenas? The guy who had 17 Democrats join Republicans in calling for a criminal contempt resolution? > > That independent justice department? Now this fucking idiot is resorting to tu quoques. It’s all he has left. If he were capable of shame he’d be embarrassed to go anywhere near any thread that mentioned Hunter Biden, but a dedicated chicken fucker like Sam is in no way capable of shame. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/528 "2020-12-03T05:00:03Z")
It wasn’t a tu quoque, it was a direct response to the claim that a politicized Justice Department was somehow unique to Trump. I could also mention George W. Bush’s Attorney General, or many of the others, such as John F. Kennedy’s own brother Robert. The ideal is for the Justice Department to be apolitical and objective. The reality has been very different. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/529 "2020-12-03T07:54:28Z")
Ya could have . . . but you didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/530 "2020-12-03T08:22:14Z")
On one hand, some words. On the other, the DOJ actively attempting to defend the President in a CIVIL suit, threatening retribution against political rivals, and spreading conspiracy theories. Totally the same. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/531 "2020-12-03T14:55:04Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It wasn’t a tu quoque, it was a direct response to the claim that a politicized Justice Department was somehow unique to Trump. “It wasn’t a tu quoque. I was just pointing out that other people did it too.” Do you even hear yourself chicken fucker? It’s the the tu quoqueiest tu quoque that tu have ever quoqued. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/532 "2020-12-03T14:57:09Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Do you even hear yourself chicken fucker? It’s the the tu quoqueiest tu quoque that tu have ever quoqued. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/533 "2020-12-03T16:19:58Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It wasn’t a tu quoque, You shouldn’t parrot back Latin words when you clearly don’t understand what they mean. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/534 "2020-12-03T16:23:03Z")
So I guess I shouldn’t be calling him a quoque-suquer… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/535 "2020-12-03T16:53:02Z")
Here’s another theory that Sam Stone can latch onto. I’m sure that he can be convinced that this should be taken seriously. I mean, Roger Stone would not lie about this, because it’s so easily disproven. So it must be true. right? Right? > **[Roger Stone Says North Korean Boats Delivered Ballots Through Maine Harbor](https://www.newsweek.com/roger-stone-says-north-korean-boats-delivered-ballots-through-maine-harbor-trump-boosts-fraud-1551937)** > > Roger Stone said Wednesday that if evidence that ballots were shipped to Maine by North Korean vessels was investigated, "it would be proof of foreign involvement in the election." ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/536 "2020-12-03T17:04:52Z")
“If this checks out, if law enforcement looked into that and it turned out to be true, it would be proof of foreign involvement in the election.” I have incontrovertible proof that Roger Stone fucked a chicken. If this checks out, if law enforcement looked into that and it turned out to be true, it would be proof that Roger Stone is a chicken fucker. This is fun! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/537 "2020-12-03T17:35:44Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Roger Stone is a chicken fucker. This sounds about 1000 times more plausible than Stone’s accusations. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/538 "2020-12-03T17:55:52Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > This sounds about 1000 times more plausible than Stone’s accusations I have proof that Roger Stone’s erect penis has been closer to a chicken’s cloaca than PA Election Ballots have been to any North Korean boat moored in Maine. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/539 "2020-12-03T18:13:48Z")
I realize I’m responding way late to this post, but it is pretty much in line with what I (we) have suspected all along. There was also a Psychology Today article I read recently (originally published in the months after the 2016 election) that pretty much said the same thing and that Trump voters were motivated by these characteristics (with my paraphrasing and, admittedly, my own license with language): - Authoritarianism: the idea that there are certain rules that define a culture and that it’s important to follow these rules and obey authorities that impose this order. - Social dominance: the idea that there is a social hierarchy (and that they either are or should be recognizes as being at the top of it) - Prejudice: stating the obvious. Although not necessarily outright beliefs of racial superiority, prejudice refers to strong biases against out groups. - Low inter-group contact: Trump voters, unsurprisingly, have limited contact with others outside their own social circles and are consequently less likely to understand any perceived differences between their own cultures and others, and less able to relate to the experiences anyone from an out group would have. The ultimate result is less empathy. - Relative deprivation: The idea that the gains of others has come largely at their expense. It’s the assumption that we live in a zero-sum world in which as someone else makes gains, people in their community lose. The caveat here is that in some cases, the losses are not just perceived but very real - not that it’s the fault of out-groups, but that the in-group is sustaining actual damage economically, socially, and otherwise. > **[An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201712/analysis-trump-supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits?page=1)** > > A new report sheds light on the psychological basis for Trump's support. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/540 "2020-12-03T18:36:24Z")
Proving that something didn’t happen can sometimes be quite difficult. That’s why the burden is on the accuser to prove that it did. Which is impossible when, if fact, said thing didn’t happen. As we are seeing in the parade of lost Trump suits. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/541 "2020-12-03T20:26:00Z")
Once again, I was responding to this: > [@eschereal](#): > > I just hope that the Justice Department goes back to being independent, and not a tool of the administration. That is very much the norm,… To which I responded that an independent AG who is not a ‘tool of the administration’ is not the norm. I brought up Eric Holder, but you could also point to John Ashcroft (as many on the left did) or many other AGs. This is not a tu quoche argument. It’s a direct response to a claim. If you still don’t think so, grab a dictionary and a clue. > [@Colibri](#): > > You shouldn’t parrot back Latin words when you clearly don’t understand what they mean. And you shouldn’t snark at people without actually reading what they said and what they are responding to. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/542 "2020-12-03T20:29:59Z")
Shouldn’t you be making a thread about Trump’s 46 minute video and how you’re convinced it spells the end for the Democratic party? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=28)