# Sam Stone believes Trump's tweets **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633 "2020-10-10T13:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/884 "2021-07-01T23:31:29Z")
Sam, what do you think would have happened if the mob had cornered Pence, or Pelosi, or another one of their stated targets, without their security (or with them)? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/885 "2021-07-01T23:31:57Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > > On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Coulmbia, GUY WESLEY REFFITT did knowingly enter and remain in a restricted building and grounds, that is, any posted, cordoned-off, and otherwise restricted are within the United States Capitol and its grounds, where the Vice President and Vice President-elect were temporarily visiting, without lawful authority to do so, and, during and in relation to the the offense, did use and carry a deadly and dangerous weapon and firearm, that is, a semi-automatic handgun. > > [https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1405211/download](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1405211/download) - He found it and was trying to return it to the police officer who dropped it while being beaten half to death. Or was it the officer being crushed in the door? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/886 "2021-07-01T23:33:52Z")
More for the other thread, n/m. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/887 "2021-07-02T00:07:52Z")
I think the United States is much more conservative than Canada. I wonder, if a Canadian dislikes socialism soo much, why wouldn’t that Canadian move to Texas? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/888 "2021-07-02T01:20:38Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Is that supposed to be a racist joke? > > I think the Antifa/BLM riots are serious, including armed people attempting to crash state capitols and burn courthouses. But I wouldn’t describe them as an ‘insurrection’. They are riots, and one of the reasons we shouldn’t allow riots is that they tend to take on a life of their own and result in a mob mentality that can get way out of control. Amd that’s what I think happened on Jan 6. A protest turned into a riot and bad shit went down - egged on by an asshole _ **ex-president** _. Unless I’m mistaken, the America-hating fuckstick was still the President on the day in question, so I’m unsure of what you mean by “egged on by an asshole ex-president.” Unless there was an actual ex-President egging the insurrectionists on, and that’s who you were talking about. If that’s the case, please let me know who it was (with cites, if it’s not too much trouble), so I can Pit him. (Narrator: _He’s not mistaken._) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/889 "2021-07-02T02:55:46Z")
I was talking about Trump. Jeez. Who did you think I was talking about? No, Biden wasn’t sworn in yet, but Trump had already lost the election. My apologies for prematurely calling him an ex-president. Or did you think he actually won? Why are you carrying water for Trump? See? I can be intentionally obtuse as well. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/890 "2021-07-02T03:00:12Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > See? I can be intentionally obtuse as well - Admitting your problem is the first step to overcoming it, ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/891 "2021-07-02T06:56:41Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I personally don’t give a shit what people say about me in the pit Ha ha ha! Good one! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/892 "2021-07-02T07:07:44Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I can be intentionally obtuse as well. We know. Lord help us, we know. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/893 "2021-07-02T13:42:21Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t pivoting to a “Blame Obama” argument. Because Obama was _somewhere_ on January 6th, alive and black. It makes about as much sense as his “liberals are the violent ones” fantasy. Because he’s so brainwashed he believes the people that push for weapons regulation and speak out against the death penalty and torturing prisoners and police brutality are the violence prone ones, not the people that are in favor of state-sanctioned violence. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/894 "2021-07-02T17:07:27Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t pivoting to a “Blame Obama” argument. Prepare to be disappointed. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Because Obama was _somewhere_ on January 6th, alive and black. Oh, so I am a racist now? It’s comments like this that trivialize real racism. I’d like to say I expected better from you, but I really didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/895 "2021-07-02T17:15:09Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I think the United States is much more conservative than Canada. I wonder, if a Canadian dislikes socialism soo much, why wouldn’t that Canadian move to Texas? They are in a race to see who can destroy their country the fastest. It still isn’t clear who will win the race. I suspect we’ll all be going down together. Also, “If you don’t like it, why don’t you leave?” Is a juvenile argument. Why didn’t you leave America if you hated Trump so much? You must have secretly been a Trump supporter, huh? Or maybe (just spitballing here) there’s more to a country than which asshole is currently in power. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/896 "2021-07-02T17:21:21Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > one of the reasons we shouldn’t allow riots is that they tend to take on a life of their own and result in a mob mentality that can get way out of control. Amd that’s what I think happened on Jan 6. A protest turned into a riot and bad shit went down - egged on by an asshole ex-president. If you think that on January 6th a protest turned into a riot and bad shit went down, why did you describe it as: > [@](#): > > Those yahoos in the Capital had no plan. They weren’t trying to start an insurrection - they were just a bunch of angry people trying to ‘have their voices heard’. Once they broke into the actual Senate chambers they basically just milled around acting like tourists, taking selfies, sitting in the speaker’s chair, etc. None of them were armed with firearms. Enough of them were old and out of shape that several deaths occurred just because of exertion and stress - including the capitol pooice officer who died of natural causes. Doesn’t sound like a riot to me. Doesn’t sound like bad shit went down to me. So which is it? Tourists taking selfies and dying from the strain of it all, or a riot where bad shit went down? > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I was talking about Trump. Jeez. Who did you think I was talking about? No, Biden wasn’t sworn in yet, but Trump had already lost the election. My apologies for prematurely calling him an ex-president. Ah, so we should use context clues and not nitpick about word choice when trying to understand your point? Except when you’d rather we pay really specific attention to how you precisely said they weren’t armed “with firearms”, because that detail makes all the difference? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Sam, what do you think would have happened if the mob had cornered Pence, or Pelosi, or another one of their stated targets, without their security (or with them)? Well obviously, they would have snapped some selfies like tourists, and then collapsed and died from the exertion. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/897 "2021-07-02T17:58:32Z")
The medical examiner reported that the events of Jan 6th were clearly part of officer Brian Sicknick’s death. Sam is just lying, once again, since the truth isn’t important to liars like him. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/898 "2021-07-02T18:06:30Z")
It’s all part of the bullshit revisionist history that wants us to think that the insurrectionists were just a bunch of lost tourists, and there is no need for an investigation of any kind. He’s bought into the stream of bullshit hook, line and sinker. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/899 "2021-07-02T18:16:52Z")
I continue to struggle with this concept that liberals are trying to destroy the country. And it appears to be the driving force behind conservative politics. We don’t want to do that any more than you righties do. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/900 "2021-07-02T19:04:47Z")
It’s pretty disgusting that he has attributed Brian Sicknick’s death to being out of shape. He’s just making shit up to serve his chosen narrative and if he has to piss on a grave or two to do what difference does it make to chicken fucking Sam. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/901 "2021-07-02T19:12:34Z")
Back the Blue! …only when they are choking/beating/framing the Black ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/902 "2021-07-02T19:19:30Z")
> **[U.S. Capitol police officer died of a stroke unrelated to Jan. 6 siege, says...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/capitol-siege-sicknick-dead-natural-causes-1.5993884)** > > A U.S. Capitol police officer who was confronted by rioters during the Jan. 6 raid suffered a stroke and died from natural causes, the Washington, D.C., medical examiner's office ruled Monday, a finding that lessens the chances that... > [@](#): > > But the determination of a natural cause of death means the medical examiner found that a medical condition alone caused his death — it was not brought on by an injury. There was also no evidence of internal or external injuries, [the medical examiner told The Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/brian-sicknick-death-strokes/2021/04/19/36d2d310-617e-11eb-afbe-9a11a127d146_story.html). And I did not say that officer Sicknick died because he was out of shape. I said that some of the ‘insurrectionists’ were old or out of shape, and that’s what caused their deaths. Except for Ashli Babbit, who was shot while being unarmed herself. There are multiple lies and miscategorizations in this thread of what I have said. I expect nothing less from the mean girls. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/903 "2021-07-02T19:36:52Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Except for Ashli Babbit, who was shot while being unarmed herself. Describing her as “unarmed” is technically correct, but still misleading. I saw the video of her shooting. She was shot leading a mob forcing open the locked and barricaded doors to the Speakers Lobby. It appears they wanted to get to the House members and do them some serious harm. > **[Video shows fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt in the Capitol](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/)** > > The Washington Post obtained video showing the chaotic moments before 35-year-old Ashli Babbitt was fatally shot as rioters rushed toward the Speaker's Lobby. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=46)