# Sam Stone believes Trump's tweets **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633 "2020-10-10T13:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/964 "2021-07-06T15:40:40Z")
That’s not fair, every time he walked out of his giant weapons stash, he was totally unarmed! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/965 "2021-07-06T16:28:25Z")
6 months ago today. @Sam_Stone, what other riots came pre-made with gallows? [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51294450078_8d621fd4d5_b.jpg "20210706\_112550") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/51294450078/) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/966 "2021-07-06T16:51:33Z")
Somebody forgot to bring the effigy. /s ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/967 "2021-07-06T16:54:45Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Somebody forgot to bring the effigy. > > /s - They wanted to leave room for the real thing. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/968 "2021-07-06T17:17:20Z")
Who built the gallows anyway? Certainly they didn’t carry the thing through the streets of DC. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/969 "2021-07-06T18:12:13Z")
> [@](#): > > @Sam_Stone, what other riots came pre-made with gallows? I think the gallows are disgustihg. But I also think gallows in riots and protests are pretty common - particularly on the left. > **[In pictures: 'Biggest ever' climate change protests in UK and around the world](https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/20/pictures-biggest-ever-climate-change-protests-london-around-world-10778994/)** > > Climate strikes are taking place across the planet. [https://www.thebritishjournal.com/world/report-demonstrators-erect-mock-gallows-in-beirut-as-thousands-join-judgment-day-protests-news-18233-2020/](https://www.thebritishjournal.com/world/report-demonstrators-erect-mock-gallows-in-beirut-as-thousands-join-judgment-day-protests-news-18233-2020/) > **[Mini Merkel gallows allowed to go on sale – DW – 12/06/2017](https://www.dw.com/en/miniature-gallows-for-angela-merkel-allowed-to-go-on-sale-in-germany/a-41680045)** > > Saxony state prosecutors have attracted anger after ruling that a gallows "reserved for Angela Merkel" could be put on sale, because it was art. Legal experts say the decision betrays a failure of the rule of law. > **[Palin hung in effigy, Bush beheaded on tv, Bush dummy destroyed by bull,...](https://thewesterner.blogspot.com/2013/08/palin-hung-in-effigy-bush-beheaded-on.html)** > > Sarah Palin effigy hung in Halloween display An effigy of U.S. Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin hanging by a noose as par... > **[An effigy of US President George W. Bush is hung on a broom with an...](https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/new-york-united-states-an-effigy-of-us-president-george-w-news-photo/71937261)** > > An effigy of US President George W. Bush is hung on a broom with an American flag by a protester attending a demonstration against Bush and the Iraq War at Dag Hammarskjold Plaza near United Nations... Here’s a good one: They hung President Bush in effigy, then burned him. [![](https://frosto3965.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/143-4350_img.jpg) ](https://frosto3965.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/143-4350_img.jpg) > **[A protester holds up an effigy of President George Bush at a demonstration...](https://www.alamy.com/a-protester-holds-up-an-effigy-of-president-george-bush-at-a-demonstration-and-march-marking-the-third-anniversary-of-the-us-invasion-of-iraq-at-the-civic-center-in-san-francisco-on-march-18-2006-upi-phototerry-schmitt-image258343430.html)** > > Download this stock image: A protester holds up an effigy of President George Bush at a demonstration and march marking the third anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq at the Civic Center in San Francisco on March 18, 2006. (UPI Photo/Terry... > **[Hanging effigies of Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Mikhail...](https://www.gettyimages.dk/detail/news-photo/hanging-effigies-of-ronald-reagan-margaret-thatcher-and-news-photo/540876416)** > > Hanging effigies of Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Mikhail Gorbachev are carried by demonstrators, who blamed the superpowers, after a group of Iranian pilgrims were killed in Mecca during the... Would you like me to continue? There are hundreds of such photos from different protests. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/970 "2021-07-06T18:20:40Z")
How many of them involved an angry mob chanting “Hang [Person X]” as they literally searched the building Person X was in for him as the gallows were built outside and as law enforcement officers frantically moved Person X and his family to safety? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/971 "2021-07-06T18:34:37Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Would you like me to continue? There are hundreds of such photos from different protests. In the case of The Capitol, the gallows were empty and the intent to _actually_ hang the target was the goal. The weird part is the intended guest was _also_ a right wing asshole. By the way… > **[Gov. Cuomo Hanged in Effigy by Right Wing Extremists in Hamburg - WNYmedia...](https://wnymedia.net/2020/09/28/gov-cuomo-hanged-in-effigy-by-right-wing-extremists/)** > > Right-Wing extremists from Erie County held a mock public lynching of NYS Governor Andrew Cuomo in Hamburg on Saturday. > **[Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear won’t be bullied by ‘vile’ and ‘evil’ right-wing...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2020/05/29/kentucky-gov-andy-beshear-wont-be-bullied-by-vile-and-evil-right-wing-extremists-who-hanged-his-likeness-in-effigy/)** > > He’s no Kentucky chicken. Kentucky governor Andy Beshear says he won’t be intimidated by right-wing protesters who hanged his image in effigy at a protest last weekend. “With ever… > **[Obama hung in effigy in Duluth](https://www.grandforksherald.com/newsmd/obama-hung-in-effigy-in-duluth)** > > DULUTH -- An effigy of President Barack Obama with a noose around his neck was tied to an electronic billboard along one of Duluth's busiest thoroughfares during the middle of the day on Election Day. > **[Barack Obama effigy hanged in Georgia](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/04/barack-obama-effigy-hanged-georgia)** > > The US secret service is investigating what local television news showed to be a black doll at the end of a noose > **[Florida pastor hangs Obama in effigy at church](https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2012/06/08/florida-pastor-hangs-obama-in-effigy-at-church/)** > > A Gainesville pastor known for creating controversies is now turning to the presidential election, hanging President Barack Obama in effigy. By the way, you stupid fuck, your first item is protestors standing on blocks of ice in reference to global warming. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/972 "2021-07-06T19:07:00Z")
Hanging people in effigy is a macabre but traditional form of protest. Building a gallows with the intent to use it and sending a mob into a building to find, capture, and hang actual public officials has nothing to do with protest- it is attempted murder. It isn’t that some can not see the difference, it’s that some will not see the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/973 "2021-07-06T19:51:44Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Would you like me to continue? There are hundreds of such photos from different protests. You’ve descended into Starving Artist territory of partisan nutbaggery. Congratulations. In his defense, he was probably too stupid to see his own idiocy. You have no such excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/974 "2021-07-06T19:58:35Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I’m old enough to remember when ‘compassion’ was rebranded ‘bleeding heart’ by conservatives. “Tree hugger”, “woke”, “social justice warrior”. All good things that conservatives think are insults. It does say a lot about their mindset. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/975 "2021-07-06T20:02:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > Would you like me to continue? There are hundreds of such photos from different protests. > > You’ve descended into Starving Artist territory of partisan nutbaggery. Congratulations. In his defense, he was probably too stupid to see his own idiocy. You have no such excuse. - I think **Sam** is quite capable of being that stupid. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/976 "2021-07-06T20:03:41Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Except for Ashli Babbit, who was shot while being unarmed herself. She was part of a mob assaulting police and refusing police orders to disperse. Don’t Republicans normally say that such situations justify lethal force, and any resulting deaths are just an unavoidable shame that’s entirely the fault of the victim failing to follow police commands? Can’t white put my finger on why this situation is different. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/977 "2021-07-06T20:04:23Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Can’t white put my finger on why this situation is different. \*snicker\* ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/978 "2021-07-06T21:00:53Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > But I also think gallows in riots and protests are pretty common But what about for tour groups? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/979 "2021-07-06T21:15:35Z")
Or what about staging a military style weapons arsenals and personnel 10 minutes from the protest……just in case. I know every time _ **I** _ go on a tourist visit to a public building, I stash a couple of soldiers with a dozen or so military grade weapons and a plan in a nearby hotel beforehand, just in case things go south. You gotta be prepared. ETA: Engaging with Sam is sort of like playing poker with a guy that thinks a pair of twos is a good hand. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/980 "2021-07-06T21:23:18Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > ETA: Engaging with Sam is sort of like playing poker with a guy that thinks a pair of twos is a good hand. Where both of the twos are actually aces with 2 scribbled on them in ~~crayon~~ Sharpie? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/981 "2021-07-06T22:24:35Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > ETA: Engaging with Sam is sort of like playing poker with a guy that thinks a pair of twos is a good hand. A pair of twos can be a perfectly fine hand, depending on the situation. Any time you want to play poker, let me know. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/982 "2021-07-06T22:31:19Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > A pair of twos can be a perfectly fine hand, depending on the situation. Any time you want to play poker, let me know. In this case, the pair of twos you have are from a UNO card game. You continue to miss a lot of context on why your gallows examples are not like the one where coup plotters are storming a government office too. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/983 "2021-07-06T22:34:09Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > But what about for tour groups? See, this is typical. I was specifically responding to a simple question dircted at me, asking what other riots had gallows. I provided a list of them. That immediately got turned into an attack on me over positions I do not hold. The very title of this thread is a lie. I do not and did not ‘believe Trump’s tweets’. I thought maybe a single one of them \*might have truth to it, not because Trump is believable but because the circumstances of that one meant that a lie would be particularly stupid I was wrong, and Trump was that stupid. But that doesn’t make me someone who ‘believes Trump Tweets’. Every time I post about Trump I go to pains to say that the guy is an ass and a blight on American politics. I hold him responsible for quite a bit of the extreme reaction we got from the left, and for lowering the overall ability of both sides to talk to each other. And yet, for not agreeing with every single part of the left-wing orthodoxy I get painted as a gullible Trump toady. Because associating someone with Trump is a great tool for character assassination. I didn’t endorse those gallows - I think they are disgusting. And I am perfectly aware that the Jan 6 riot included a small number of people who intended serious harm - just as the ‘mostly peaceful but fiery’ protests over the summer included some instigators who were trying to turn the protests into riots. Looking at the charges that have been leveled, out of the 550 or so people who were there, maybe 25-50 of them were up to a lot more than just venting, They are currently in prison awaiting court dates. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=50)