# Sam Stone believes Trump's tweets **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633 "2020-10-10T13:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1284 "2021-09-29T15:12:28Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Trump put the agreements in place that Biden tried to honor in Afghanistan. And it is important to remember that it was not to honor Trump that that agreement was followed. The Taliban had agreed to stop attacking our forces, as long as we left the country on a certain timetable. Biden extended that time table for a few months as it was, which could be seen as being a bit risky, but worked out. If Biden had rescinded the deal, as Trump did with many Obama era deals, then it would have real consequences. Our military forces in Afghanistan would be under attack. Trump hurt out country, our allies, and the world at large when he cancelled deals just out of spite for those who had made them. I am glad that Biden did not cancel the deal, even though it was certainly a pretty one sided deal where Trump handed Afghanistan over to the Taliban, as it would have meant more deaths of our troops. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1285 "2021-09-29T15:44:02Z")
As I said above, there are things that Biden could have done a lot better with regard to the Afghanistan withdrawal, the current border crisis, etc and things to legitimately criticise him for. But it’s difficult to even have those conversations because we’re too busy dealing with the firehose of excrement the right keep spraying everything with. When 99% of arguments are made in bad faith, it’s hard to muster the energy for the good faith ones. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1286 "2021-09-30T21:14:41Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The only people hanging on and saying he’s doing a good job are Democratic parisans, but even his support among registered Democrats is falling. this poll revealsExcept it’s not, as : > [@](#): > > Since the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan a month ago, President Biden’s approval rating has recovered some in the latest [NPR/ _PBS NewsHour_ /Marist poll](https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/npr-pbs-newshour-marist-national-poll-covid-biden-congressional-generic-september-30-2021). > > Last month, just 43% of survey respondents [approved of how he was doing his job](https://www.npr.org/2021/09/02/1033433959/biden-approval-rating-afghanistan-withdrawal) and a majority — 51% — disapproved. Since then, Biden has gained back some of that, drawing to about even, with 45% approving and 46% disapproving. […] > > “Some of it had to do with the proximity of Afghanistan, and that has sort of faded a little bit and is not as prominent in people’s minds,” said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion, which conducted the poll. [Which is pretty much what most people figured would happen, despite the Republicans’ frantic efforts to pretend that Afghanistan was a permanent albatross around Biden’s neck.] > > Biden’s somewhat-recovered numbers come from registered Democrats and independents. Miringoff noted that Republicans are essentially maxed out in their disapproval of Biden […] Democrats and Independents are going to fluctuate in their opinions of Biden over the varying course of events, as is only reasonable, while Republicans are going to perpetually try to paint him as a total disaster merely because he’s a Democrat, as is only Republican. I note that, for example, [Obama’s approval rating fell pretty steadily during his first year in office, dipping below 50% before the start of 2010](https://qz.com/889644/obamas-approval-rating-from-his-first-day-to-his-last-in-charts/). So Sam’s hysteria about Biden’s decline in approval reflecting some kind of massive indictment of his performance is just the usual Republican fact-free fearmongering. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Yeah, wait until you hear the people who say that Capitalism has to go. […] > > Care to defend that? They’re in your tribe, not mine. The difference is that in your camp, the wingnut flank is actually running the camp. (Maybe not quite so much in Canada, except with regard to disastrous Conservative COVID policies which your leaders at least have had the sense to apologize for, but definitely in the US.) ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1287 "2021-10-02T17:37:40Z")
I like to think that I deal with Sam on an fair, rational basis, and vice versa. But then he says something like this: “Hey, that’s what everyone did with the Mueller results. That investigation was going to bring down Trump and everyone around him. Instead, a couple of flunkies got dinged on process violations, and not much else. This could end up the ssme way.” It makes me realize there simply is no sane, objective, rational way of dealing with him. His grasp of objective facts, like that 34 guilty verdicts is “a couple”, that the lead foreign policy advisor, a campaign chair, a national security advisor, and his advisor are just “flunkies”, and major financial crimes, lying to investigators, identity theft, witness tampering, and campaign finance laws are just “process violations” is just so twisted by his hatred of liberals that there is no possibility of finding common ground. Sometimes Sam is able to put aside the sniping and cheap insults and deal with the actual issues, but then you realize he is completely unable to deal with objective facts in a rational way. It’s kinda sad. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1288 "2021-10-02T17:41:26Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > you realize he is completely unable to deal with objective facts in a rational way. I think part of the explanation is that the sources that he relied upon in the past have moved to more and more irrational and outright nutty stuff. They used to be merely biased, but now the sources are just spewing outright garbage. Sam still relies on these sources and has not noticed that when he repeats what they are telling him, it’s becoming more and more batshit insane. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1289 "2021-10-02T17:44:20Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They used to be merely biased, but now the sources are just spewing outright garbage. > Sam still relies on these sources and has not noticed that when he repeats what they are telling him, it’s becoming more and more batshit insane. - He’s chained to the goalposts. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1290 "2021-10-02T17:49:56Z")
It’s a bit of confirmation bias - the sites that he gets his info from tend to mirror his own beliefs… Combined with the frog in the boiling water meme. The sites he gets his info from have slowly… slowly moved into crazy nutbar foaming at the mouth territory so subtly that he thinks that they have stayed the same and everyone else has veered far to the left. So his sites report stuff that is just not based in reality, but for Sam, THAT IS the reality, and everyone else must simply be in denial, or a communist. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1291 "2021-10-08T19:58:54Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Would anyone care to apologize for the vitriol spit at the conservatives on this board who believed the laptop story might be true? _No,_ we’re not going to apologize over a f’ing opinion piece in _The New York Post,_ you floor-flushing, ambulance-chasing, toilet-licking **hack!!** ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1292 "2021-10-08T20:03:53Z")
“Floor-flushing?” 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1293 "2021-10-08T20:04:25Z")
I thought I heard it somewhere…not I’m not so sure… ---
**Author:** ![gregorio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/fbc32d/32.png) [@gregorio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gregorio)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1294 "2021-10-08T20:06:05Z")
Four flushing? Learnt it on this here board. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1295 "2021-10-08T20:06:08Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > I thought I heard it somewhere…not I’m not so sure… - > **[Four flush](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_flush)** > > A four flush (also flush draw) is a poker draw or non-standard poker hand that is one card short of being a full flush. Four flushing refers to empty boasting > or unsuccessful bluffing, > and a four flusher is a person who makes empty boasts or bluffs when holding a four flush. > Four flusher can also refer to a welcher, piker, or braggart. > This pejorative term originated in the 19th century when bluffing poker players misrepresented that they had a flush—a poker hand with five cards The first Governo... ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1296 "2021-10-08T20:06:56Z")
Ohhhhhh. Okay, that makes sense. You learn something new every day. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1297 "2021-10-08T20:07:11Z")
Dang y’all are fast (he says coming back with a now useless link). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1298 "2021-10-08T20:07:45Z")
Four-flushing is a poker cheat technique, where you’ll claim to win the pot with a flush, and display your four hearts, showing only enough of your ten of diamonds to demonstrate that, yup, you have five red cards, all right. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1299 "2021-10-08T20:11:25Z")
Never having had to resort to such dastardly methods in my poker games, I never knew about this. Ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1300 "2021-10-08T20:16:59Z")
Pretty sure the good Capt meant in the spirit of how we mop the floor with Sam’s arguments. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1301 "2021-10-08T20:18:04Z")
I took it to mean so much crap being spewed that the toilet was backing up and out onto the floor. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1302 "2021-10-08T20:19:39Z")
First read it as flour-flushing, a secret breading technique only known to us top Chefs. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/1303 "2021-10-08T20:23:00Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I took it to mean so much crap being spewed that the toilet was backing up and out onto the floor. Stop stealing my jokes! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633.md?page=66)