# Sam Stone believes Trump's tweets

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**Created:** [October 10, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633 "2020-10-10T13:47:45Z")\
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**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\
**Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-believes-trumps-tweets/922633/551 "2020-12-04T20:22:33Z")

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> [@Lance\_Turbo](#):
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> Do you even hear yourself chicken fucker? It’s the the tu quoqueiest tu quoque that tu have ever quoqued.

I don’t see what you’re talking about.

The original comment quite explicitly introduced the comparison.

> [@Hunter Biden Laptop Question](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/550):
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> I just hope that the Justice Department goes back to being independent, and not a tool of the administration.

The idea of the Justice Department “going back” to being independent is a direct assertion that it used to be independent, and now no longer is. The comparison is right there in the statement.

@Sam_Stone then attacked that explicit comparison to how things used to be, by bringing up evidence of the previous administration. I wouldn’t actually call the evidence then cited very good. It would have been better to cite multiple administrations, as he later did.

  
  

If the original comment had been: “I hope the Justice Department under the next administration isn’t total subservient shit like it’s been under Trump”, then that’s a different comment, not making any explicit reference to the quality of any previous administration.

I think **Sam\_Stone** ’s comment would have been a tu quoque in that case, given my understanding of the term.

But if a comment of “Things used to be better, and I hope they will be again” is answered with “Things did not used to be better”, then I don’t see at all how that is supposed to fit the fallacy. Not remotely. This is true regardless of the quality of the evidence provided about things not having been better.

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