# Sam Stone - Why do you hate America? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 30, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037 "2010-08-30T20:07:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/21 "2010-08-31T00:01:58Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Lately, Sam has been more like Shodan than xtisme. [/QUOTE] No real dog in this fight (I generally find Sam a good poster and enjoy reading his posts, but have noticed a lot of more partisan type threads started by him lately), but…why me? Just curious, like I said…don’t want to detract from the theme of the OP but was puzzled to see my name in this thread. -XT ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/22 "2010-08-31T00:05:26Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > > [@yojimbo](#): > > > > He’s lost the fight at home. May as well fight it somewhere were a large %age agree with him. > > Did you just really type the word “percentage” as “%age?” > > I hope you get gonorrhea. I actually agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/23 "2010-08-31T00:10:22Z")
Sam Stone is the best poster on this here smorgasbord. I don’t know why he does it either, but he argues the shit out of everyone who crosses his path. I mean, he really embarrasses you guys, reduces you to sputtering and moaning morons. It’s a beautiful thing. I sure as hell don’t want to take the time and energy to respond to your drivel in detail, but I like watching when Sam does it. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/24 "2010-08-31T00:16:50Z")
Sure, but you’re a retard. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/25 "2010-08-31T00:24:13Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Sam Stone is the best poster on this here smorgasbord. I don’t know why he does it either, but he argues the shit out of everyone who crosses his path. I mean, he really embarrasses you guys, reduces you to sputtering and moaning morons. It’s a beautiful thing. I sure as hell don’t want to take the time and energy to respond to your drivel in detail, but I like watching when Sam does it. You should read the linked thread. He spews out an infantile and factually incorrect OP in GD, then pisses down his leg and runs away home, all in a couple of hours. I guess you might be right about embarrasing us, because I was embarrased _for_ him. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/26 "2010-08-31T00:30:40Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Sam Stone is the best poster on this here smorgasbord. I don’t know why he does it either, but he argues the shit out of everyone who crosses his path. I mean, he really embarrasses you guys, reduces you to sputtering and moaning morons. It’s a beautiful thing. I sure as hell don’t want to take the time and energy to respond to your drivel in detail, but I like watching when Sam does it. Lol. You’re the biggest failure on this board if you discount the barely functional like Chlothahump and Don123. Keep fucking that chicken, Rover. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/27 "2010-08-31T00:44:45Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I’ll make you a deal: All your Albertans pack up and move to Texas, and vice-versa. Trade barbeque and Tex-Mex for single payer health care and sub-110 degree summers? That’s actually a pretty tough call. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/28 "2010-08-31T00:44:45Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > Sam Stone is the best poster on this here smorgasbord. I don’t know why he does it either, but he argues the shit out of everyone who crosses his path. I mean, he really embarrasses you guys, reduces you to sputtering and moaning morons. It’s a beautiful thing. I sure as hell don’t want to take the time and energy to respond to your drivel in detail, but I like watching when Sam does it. > > You should read the linked thread. He spews out an infantile and factually incorrect OP in GD, then pisses down his leg and runs away home, all in a couple of hours. > > I guess you might be right about embarrasing us, because I was embarrased _for_ him. I read it. What happened was that a bunch of the usual idiots came on by with ad hominem attacks, and Sam apparently decided he was fed up with it. Can’t say I blame the guy. Casting pearls before swine can get tiresome after a while. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/29 "2010-08-31T00:53:02Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > > > You should read the linked thread. He spews out an infantile and factually incorrect OP in GD, then pisses down his leg and runs away home, all in a couple of hours. > > > > I guess you might be right about embarrasing us, because I was embarrased _for_ him. > > I read it. What happened was that a bunch of the usual idiots came on by with ad hominem attacks, and Sam apparently decided he was fed up with it. Can’t say I blame the guy. Casting pearls before swine can get tiresome after a while. I respected \*\*Sam \*\*before but not after he showed support for the coup in Honduras and demonstrated to be just a copy pasta maker for climate change denialists. And, as I demonstrated before, you are a certified Moron. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/30 "2010-08-31T01:06:23Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > > > You should read the linked thread. He spews out an infantile and factually incorrect OP in GD, then pisses down his leg and runs away home, all in a couple of hours. > > > > I guess you might be right about embarrasing us, because I was embarrased _for_ him. > > I read it. What happened was that a bunch of the usual idiots came on by with ad hominem attacks, and Sam apparently decided he was fed up with it. Can’t say I blame the guy. Casting pearls before swine can get tiresome after a while. Ah. You read it, you just didn’t understand it. Thats OK, sometimes the SDMB can be hard. Keep working on it. You get a gentleman’s C for effort. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/31 "2010-08-31T01:08:24Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > I read it. What happened was that a bunch of the usual idiots came on by with ad hominem attacks, and Sam apparently decided he was fed up with it. Can’t say I blame the guy. Casting pearls before swine can get tiresome after a while. > > I respected \*\*Sam \*\*before but not after he showed support for the coup in Honduras and demonstrated to be just a copy pasta maker for climate change denialists. > > And, as I demonstrated before, you are a certified Moron. How did you demonstrate that exactly? Did you drive by and post a link to a website you think supports your position (i.e., your standard posting pattern)? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/32 "2010-08-31T01:09:36Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > I read it. What happened was that a bunch of the usual idiots came on by with ad hominem attacks, and Sam apparently decided he was fed up with it. Can’t say I blame the guy. Casting pearls before swine can get tiresome after a while. > > Ah. You read it, you just didn’t understand it. Thats OK, sometimes the SDMB can be hard. Keep working on it. You get a gentleman’s C for effort. Show how I don’t understand it. I don’t think you understand the meaning of the word “understand.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/33 "2010-08-31T01:18:17Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > [@GIGObuster](#): > > > > I respected \*\*Sam \*\*before but not after he showed support for the coup in Honduras and demonstrated to be just a copy pasta maker for climate change denialists. > > > > And, as I demonstrated before, you are a certified Moron. > > How did you demonstrate that exactly? Did you drive by and post a link to a website you think supports your position (i.e., your standard posting pattern)? Nah, even you admitted that you were wrong when affirming that Republicans would overturn the health care law when taking over congress, I only had to point at the fact that even if so they had to override a presidential Veto. Of course later the law passed and your affirmations to the contrary on the thread showed to all the dunce that you are. Of course I found what a moron you were early when in another climate debate you also showed how blind you are to time-lines and history. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/34 "2010-08-31T01:24:01Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > How did you demonstrate that exactly? Did you drive by and post a link to a website you think supports your position (i.e., your standard posting pattern)? > > Nah, even you admitted that you were wrong when affirming that Republicans would overturn the health care law when taking over congress, I only had to point at the fact that even if so they had to override a presidential Veto. Of course later the law passed and your affirmations to the contrary showed to all the dunce that you are. I remember this post. I got over-exuberant and said something about Republicans overturning the health care reform bill if they regained control of Congress. Someone (maybe you) came along and pointed out that just having control wouldn’t do much for the Republicans because of the veto. I admitted I was wrong about getting so excited about them having a simple majority. So how does that make me a “Moron” exactly? > [@](#): > > Of course I found what a moron you were early when in another climate debate you also showed how blind you are to time-lines and history. You are blind to how science works. You have declared victory for your side based on your political views–I’m sticking with the science, which isn’t conclusive yet (unless you believe the highly politicized bodies that were used to manufacture a “consensus”). You are the moron on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![montag01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@montag01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/montag01)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/35 "2010-08-31T01:28:21Z")
I simply dislike non-U.S. citizens talking about our leaders, regardless of party. Everyone’s entitled to express an opinion about another country or their policies, of course. One may hear about Uganda’s proposed legislation to kill gays, for example, and feel the need to blast it or debate it in a post. But if damn near all you do is talk about one particular country and its leadership all day, as Sam Stone’s post clearly indicates he does, then one may reasonably ask why this person doesn’t put his money where his mouth is, do the hard work of earning citizenship, and get a real stake in the debate. It’s certainly understandable why someone would want to talk American politics on a board dominated by American citizens, who aren’t likely to know (or care) about what goes on in Canada. But after awhile most citizens of a country, regardless of political party, will get _a little_ tired of a non-U.S. citizen bashing their leaders’ positions from afar: because in the end, it’s really none of a Canadian’s goddamn business what the citizens of the United States choose to do with their own country, and many of us would prefer not to hear jeers from the non-participatory peanut gallery. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/36 "2010-08-31T01:30:34Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I remember this post. I got over-exuberant and said something about Republicans overturning the health care reform bill if they regained control of Congress. Someone (maybe you) came along and pointed out that just having control wouldn’t do much for the Republicans because of the veto. I admitted I was wrong about getting so excited about them having a simple majority. So how does that make me a “Moron” exactly? Your exuberance in affirming that. And then not learning much from that. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You are blind to how science works. You have declared victory for your side based on your political views–I’m sticking with the science, which isn’t conclusive yet (unless you believe the highly politicized bodies that were used to manufacture a “consensus”). You are the moron on this issue. > **[The 97% consensus on global warming](https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm)** > > \That humans are causing global warming is the position of the Academies of Science from 19 countries plus many scientific organizations that study climate science. More specifically, around 95% of active climate researchers actively publishing... > [@](#): > > What the science says… > > 97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming. > > Science achieves a consensus when scientists stop arguing. When a question is first asked – like ‘what would happen if we put a load more CO2 in the atmosphere?’ – there may be many hypotheses about cause and effect. Over a period of time, each idea is tested and retested – the processes of the scientific method – because all scientists know that reputation and kudos go to those who find the right answer (and everyone else becomes an irrelevant footnote in the history of science). Nearly all hypotheses will fall by the wayside during this testing period, because only one is going to answer the question properly, without leaving all kinds of odd dangling bits that don’t quite add up. Bad theories are usually rather untidy. > > But the testing period must come to an end. Gradually, the focus of investigation narrows down to those avenues that continue to make sense, that still add up, and quite often a good theory will reveal additional answers, or make powerful predictions, that add substance to the theory. When Russian scientist Dmitri Mendeleev constructed his periodic table of elements, not only did he fit all known elements successfully, he predicted that elements we didn’t even know about would turn up later on – and they did! > > So a consensus in science is different from a political one. There is no vote. Scientists just give up arguing because the sheer weight of consistent evidence is too compelling, the tide too strong to swim against any longer. Scientists change their minds on the basis of the evidence, and a consensus emerges over time. Not only do scientists stop arguing, they also start relying on each other’s work. All science depends on that which precedes it, and when one scientist builds on the work of another, he acknowledges the work of others through citations. The work that forms the foundation of climate change science is cited with great frequency by many other scientists, demonstrating that the theory is widely accepted - and relied upon. > > In the scientific field of climate studies – which is informed by many different disciplines – the consensus is demonstrated by the number of scientists who have stopped arguing about what is causing climate change – and that’s nearly all of them. Several studies confirm that “…the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes”. (Doran 2009). In other words, more than 95% of scientists working in the disciplines contributing to studies of our climate, accept that climate change is almost certainly being caused by human activities. What science says that AGW “isn’t conclusive yet”? The reality is that you are demonstrating stupidity when you can not see that you are being made a sucker by the denial media, they are reaching now for the same bag of tricks as creationists. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/37 "2010-08-31T01:45:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > I remember this post. I got over-exuberant and said something about Republicans overturning the health care reform bill if they regained control of Congress. Someone (maybe you) came along and pointed out that just having control wouldn’t do much for the Republicans because of the veto. I admitted I was wrong about getting so excited about them having a simple majority. So how does that make me a “Moron” exactly? > > Your exuberance in affirming that. And then not learning much from that. :rolleyes: I posted something like: “It would be great if Republicans win majorities in Congress in November so they can repeal the health care reform bill.” And someone said “But they need more than a majority.” And I said “:smack: Oh yeah.” That doesn’t demonstrate I’m a moron. It shows that I temporarily forgot something. > **[The 97% consensus on global warming](https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm)** > > \That humans are causing global warming is the position of the Academies of Science from 19 countries plus many scientific organizations that study climate science. More specifically, around 95% of active climate researchers actively publishing... > [@](#): > > What the science says… > > 97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming. > > Science achieves a consensus when scientists stop arguing. When a question is first asked – like ‘what would happen if we put a load more CO2 in the atmosphere?’ – there may be many hypotheses about cause and effect. Over a period of time, each idea is tested and retested – the processes of the scientific method – because all scientists know that reputation and kudos go to those who find the right answer (and everyone else becomes an irrelevant footnote in the history of science). Nearly all hypotheses will fall by the wayside during this testing period, because only one is going to answer the question properly, without leaving all kinds of odd dangling bits that don’t quite add up. Bad theories are usually rather untidy. > > But the testing period must come to an end. Gradually, the focus of investigation narrows down to those avenues that continue to make sense, that still add up, and quite often a good theory will reveal additional answers, or make powerful predictions, that add substance to the theory. When Russian scientist Dmitri Mendeleev constructed his periodic table of elements, not only did he fit all known elements successfully, he predicted that elements we didn’t even know about would turn up later on – and they did! > > So a consensus in science is different from a political one. There is no vote. Scientists just give up arguing because the sheer weight of consistent evidence is too compelling, the tide too strong to swim against any longer. Scientists change their minds on the basis of the evidence, and a consensus emerges over time. Not only do scientists stop arguing, they also start relying on each other’s work. All science depends on that which precedes it, and when one scientist builds on the work of another, he acknowledges the work of others through citations. The work that forms the foundation of climate change science is cited with great frequency by many other scientists, demonstrating that the theory is widely accepted - and relied upon. > > In the scientific field of climate studies – which is informed by many different disciplines – the consensus is demonstrated by the number of scientists who have stopped arguing about what is causing climate change – and that’s nearly all of them. Several studies confirm that “…the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent **among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes** ”. (Doran 2009). In other words, more than 95% of scientists working in the disciplines contributing to studies of our climate, accept that climate change is almost certainly being caused by human activities. What science says that AGW “isn’t conclusive yet”? The reality is that you are demonstrating stupidity when you can not see that you are being made a sucker by the denial media, they are reaching now for the same bag of tricks as creationists. [/QUOTE] The bolded part says it all. “Among those who agree with us, 97% agree with us.” Also, thanks for posting a link without comment. I daresay you show your own moronity by being unable to argument yourself without simply posting a link. Also, your side is the one showing “creation science” tendencies. You’ve constructed this elaborate model that fits your political worldview and keep adapting the science to fit that model. You aren’t simply letting the science take you were it will. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/38 "2010-08-31T01:50:05Z")
> [@montag01](#): > > I simply dislike non-U.S. citizens talking about our leaders, regardless of party. Everyone’s entitled to express an opinion about another country or their policies, of course. One may hear about Uganda’s proposed legislation to kill gays, for example, and feel the need to blast it or debate it in a post. > > But if damn near all you do is talk about one particular country and its leadership all day, as Sam Stone’s post clearly indicates he does, then one may reasonably ask why this person doesn’t put his money where his mouth is, do the hard work of earning citizenship, and get a real stake in the debate. It’s certainly understandable why someone would want to talk American politics on a board dominated by American citizens, who aren’t likely to know (or care) about what goes on in Canada. But after awhile most citizens of a country, regardless of political party, will get _a little_ tired of a non-U.S. citizen bashing their leaders’ positions from afar: because in the end, it’s really none of a Canadian’s goddamn business what the citizens of the United States choose to do with their own country, and many of us would prefer not to hear jeers from the non-participatory peanut gallery. 1. A very large contingent of SDMB posters don’t pay taxes and don’t add much of value to the economy. They work some shit job (or try to find some shit job) and then go home and fuck around on this messageboard. If they get to post stuff on here about US policy, then Sam does as well. 2. Canada’s economy and policies are inextricably linked with the US’s, so he does have a personal reason to care. 3. Sam is interested in the topic of how to run a country, so he posts about the country that most SDMB members (and many humans in general) care about. I don’t see you getting on other people’s cases about not having a personal stake in the issues they like to discuss–people can be interested in things that don’t impact them personally. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/39 "2010-08-31T01:56:31Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Also, your side is the one showing “creation science” tendencies. You’ve constructed this elaborate model that fits your political worldview and keep adapting the science to fit that model. You aren’t simply letting the science take you were it will. The reason why then one assumes then that you are not too bright is that to say that, you \*\*have \*\*to ignore the real history of how we got to the current consensus and the current **consensus of the evidence**. Saying that climate change deniers are like creationists is pertinent when I see denier media stuck in the past when making their criticisms, putting research in journals that later are demonstrated that they do not do a good job of review and then blogging the hell out of it. Ignoring basic evidence that shows, for example, that the sun is currently in a low activity period and still deniers tell you that the sun is causing the recent warming. Like creationists, climate deniers are now mostly busy with attempting to change public opinion, as they already see that they lost the war in research, academia and even the science press. They just grab suckers like you. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/40 "2010-08-31T02:06:30Z")
[QUOTE=Rand Rover] The bolded part says it all. “Among those who agree with us, 97% agree with us.” [/quote] :rolleyes: I could rest rest my case here. [QUOTE=Rand Rover] Also, thanks for posting a link without comment. [/QUOTE] I did made a comment and you just showed all that you are incapable of finding good evidence to support your say so’s. [QUOTE=Rand Rover] I daresay you show your own moronity by being unable to argument yourself without simply posting a link. [/quote] Piffle. So here is your chance to demonstrate what dizzying intellect you have, show all that you are capable of identifying good sources from moronic ones, lets see your evidence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037.md?page=3)