# Sam Stone - Why do you hate America? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 30, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037 "2010-08-30T20:07:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/81 "2010-08-31T05:09:07Z")
I guess it’s somewhat of a testament to the poster in question that he gets Pitted, and an AGW debate breaks out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/82 "2010-08-31T05:12:04Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I guess it’s somewhat of a testament to the poster in question that he gets Pitted, and an AGW debate breaks out. 🙂 Well, you forgot [del]Poland[/del] Honduras.. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/83 "2010-08-31T07:04:19Z")
Well, I for one think that Sam Stone (no relation) is a patriotic Canadian. You see, Americans like me think of Canadians as generally much nicer and more polite and civilized (with that thar health care thingy) than the average American. But all the wonderful Canadians I meet assure me that this is not so, that the average Canadian is just as misinformed, stupid, meddling and rude as the average American because of this one guy in Alberta who is such a jackwad that he single-handedly brings down the national average in all those categories. I nod knowingly and say that yes, I know about Sam Stone, thank God he is persona non grate in the good ol’ US of A. He tried to move to Lompoc, California once, but the prison inmates called the imminent decline in property values to the attention of the local authorities, who put a nix on that idea. Seriously, Sam Stone is so stupid that when retarded people read the political propaganda he leaves on bathroom walls they roll their eyes and mocking mouth “durp de doo!” under their breath. Sam Stone is such a Canadian patriot that he speaks a dialect of French known only to Scottish sailors who have retired to Nova Scotia. When Sam Stone heard that Gore Vidal called William Buckley a fascist, Sam said: “Buckley wishes!” When Hayak wrote his economic theory, Milton Friedman told him to dumb it down and put it only in the form of a comic book because Sam Stone wasn’t going to get the more subtle straw men and excluded middles anyway. When Sam Stone tried to make a lunch date to meet Ayn Rand back in the 70s, Rand was heard to remark: “where are the soup kitchens when you really need them?” After Bush II left office his first public speech was in Alberta, and Sam Stone tried to have his picture taken with Bush at the event, and Bush turned him down saying: “you must be at least as smart as Sarah Palin to be photographed with me.” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/84 "2010-08-31T07:08:21Z")
My pittings always turn into parties. No one can stay mad at me once they find out I have the best weed in the place. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/85 "2010-08-31T07:28:03Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > My pittings always turn into parties. No one can stay mad at me once they find out I have the best weed in the place. Pass the Bong, I need to celebrate today’s news: 🆒 [http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/08/judge\_quashes\_cuccinelli\_subpo.html](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/08/judge_quashes_cuccinelli_subpo.html) > [@](#): > > Judge quashes Cuccinelli subpoena of U-Va. records > > An Albemarle County Circuit Court judge has set aside a subpoena issued by Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli to the University of Virginia seeking documents related to the work of climate scientist and former university professor Michael Mann. > > Judge Paul M. Peatross Jr. ruled that Cuccinelli can investigate whether fraud has occurred in university grants, as the attorney general had contended, but ruled that Cuccinelli’s subpoena failed to state a “reason to believe” that Mann had committed fraud. > > The ruling is a major blow for Cuccinelli, a global warming skeptic who had maintained that he was investigating whether Mann committed fraud in seeking government money for research that showed that the earth has experienced a rapid, recent warming. Mann, now at Penn State University, worked at U-Va. until 2005. > > According to Peatross, the Virginia Fraud Against Taxpayers Act, under which the civil investigative demand was issued, requires that the attorney general include an “objective basis” to believe that fraud has been committed. Peatross indicates that the attorney general must state the reason so that it can be reviewed by a court, which Cuccinelli failed to do. And also: > **[Bjørn Lomborg: $100bn a year needed to fight climate change](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/aug/30/bjorn-lomborg-climate-change-u-turn)** > > Exclusive: The self-styled sceptical environmentalist, Bjørn Lomborg, has admitted that not enough is being done to fight the effects of man-made climate change > [@](#): > > The world’s most high-profile climate change sceptic is to declare that global warming is “undoubtedly one of the chief concerns facing the world today” and “a challenge humanity must confront”, in an apparent U-turn that will give a huge boost to the embattled environmental lobby. > > Bjørn Lomborg, the self-styled “sceptical environmentalist” once compared to Adolf Hitler by the UN’s climate chief, is famous for attacking climate scientists, campaigners, the media and others for exaggerating the rate of global warming and its effects on humans, and the costly waste of policies to stop the problem. > > But in a new book to be published next month, Lomborg will call for tens of billions of dollars a year to be invested in tackling climate change. “Investing $100bn annually would mean that we could essentially resolve the climate change problem by the end of this century,” the book concludes. > > Examining eight methods to reduce or stop global warming, Lomborg and his fellow economists recommend pouring money into researching and developing clean energy sources such as wind, wave, solar and nuclear power, and more work on climate engineering ideas such as “cloud whitening” to reflect the sun’s heat back into the outer atmosphere. > > **In a Guardian interview, he said he would finance investment through a tax on carbon emissions** that would also raise $50bn to mitigate the effect of climate change, for example by building better sea defences, and $100bn for global healthcare. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/86 "2010-08-31T08:02:31Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > My pittings always turn into parties. No one can stay mad at me once they find out I have the best weed in the place. I’ve heard of BC Bud, pass the Alberta Awesome. Incidentally, for everyone here who hasn’t been to Alberta, it is one of the most spectacular places in the world for scenery. And the people are wonderful. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/87 "2010-08-31T08:25:02Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Just out of curiosity, has any other member of this board been subject to that criticism? Even once? Yes. > [@](#): > > We just went though a period of 8 years of Bush bashing on the SDMB, including Bush bashing by a number of non-American posters. Did any of them get called out for it? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/88 "2010-08-31T12:10:18Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > [@xtisme](#): > > > > But Sam, you still haven’t answered the question…why DO you hate America??? :eek: > > > > -XT > > It’s that fucking Justin Bieber. [He’s Canadian.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Bieber) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/89 "2010-08-31T12:39:47Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > Just out of curiosity, has any other member of this board been subject to that criticism? Even once? > > Yes. > > > [@](#): > > > > We just went though a period of 8 years of Bush bashing on the SDMB, including Bush bashing by a number of non-American posters. Did any of them get called out for it? > > Yes. Cite? And cite? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/90 "2010-08-31T15:13:02Z")
I suppose opening his posts by thoroughly poisoning the well by defining the experts dishonestly gave pause. He defined people as Obama backers who were not. He lumped them as liberal which some are not. So his first step gets people a little annoyed. I picture him surfing right wing sites all day while Fox runs in the background,as he looks for yet another argument that Obama is destroying the world. But it is clear that is what he is trying to do. He is horribly slanted and it shows. That is why his arguments will not be treated as a fair and honest debate. He makes it impossible. The first reaction when he opens a post is"here he goes again". What kind of right wing slanted screed are we about to read this time. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/91 "2010-08-31T15:20:02Z")
Well, he’s just an excitable boy… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/92 "2010-08-31T15:41:21Z")
Come on, guys. Give up on the BS about him being Canadian and that US politics is basically none of his business. That’s just a red herring, and detracts from the real reason for this thread. Just drop it. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/93 "2010-08-31T15:45:23Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > It’s that fucking Justin Bieber. > > [He’s Canadian.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Bieber) Oh, God. Now THAT’s worth pitting Canadians over. I am so, so sorry. First, we inflicted Celine Dion on you. Now this. Our bad. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/94 "2010-08-31T16:01:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, he’s just an excitable boy… I’m sorry, but Zevon references belong in Cafe Society. Run along. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/95 "2010-08-31T16:04:43Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I suppose opening his posts by thoroughly poisoning the well by defining the experts dishonestly gave pause. He defined people as Obama backers who were not. He lumped them as liberal which some are not. So his first step gets people a little annoyed. You know, if you’re going to get your panties in a bunch over my ‘dishonesty’, you could at least make your own post accurate. At no time did I call any of them a liberal. And the only incorrect things I wrote were: 1. That Mort Zuckerman wrote a speech for Obama. I don’t think this is an egregious error, because I heard the claim straight from Zuckerman’s mouth on _The McLaughlin Group_. John Mace pointed out that he lied about it. That’s hardly my fault. But that was just a side comment anyway. The real point is that Zuckerman was an Obama supporter. The whole thesis of the thread was “Things must be getting pretty bad if the people who actually supported Obama are writing such critical Op-Eds.” That doesn’t change if Zuckerman didn’t actually write a speech. He still supported Obama. 2. I said that all three were Obama supporters. In fact, two of them WERE Obama supporters, and the third was a supporter of Obama’s stimulus. This is not exactly a huge error. I made the mistake of assuming that the guy supported Obama in general, when In fact he had only supported a policy. But he still was willing to give Obama his support at one point. Still, an error on my part. But you couldn’t even get that right. Instead I get characterized as being dishonest (I think you can see that these were honest errors), and then you don’t even get your own facts straight even though my post is sitting right there, easy for you to check. Should I start calling you dishonest? > [@](#): > > I picture him surfing right wing sites all day while Fox runs in the background,as he looks for yet another argument that Obama is destroying the world. But it is clear that is what he is trying to do. He is horribly slanted and it shows. That is why his arguments will not be treated as a fair and honest debate. He makes it impossible. A) Coming from you, this is hilarious. B) I work during the day. C) I don’t read a whole lot of right-wing blogs. I occasionally (as in once every couple of days) check on National Review and Reason Magazine. I also check the Drudge Report, and sometimes Instapundit as news aggregators. Other than that, pretty much the only blogs I read are run by economists. Some left wing, some right wing, some apolitical. D) I never watch Fox news, except for occasionally “Red Eye” if I’m up late enough. It’s a comedy show. I do watch “The Daily Show” every day, though. I’m such a partisan bitch. E) Change ‘right wing’ to ‘left wing’, and you just described 3/4 of the participants of Great Debates. > [@](#): > > The first reaction when he opens a post is"here he goes again". What kind of right wing slanted screed are we about to read this time. Of course. Because, you know, people don’t agree with me. Because this board slants heavily to the left. And of course, anything I post that disagrees with what you believe in is going to be defined as a ‘partisan’ post. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/96 "2010-08-31T16:05:44Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > You can call Krugman a liberal all you want. That’s _Dr._ Krugman to you. Remember, he’s a Doctor. With a doctorate!! He wrote a thesis and everything. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/97 "2010-08-31T16:12:00Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > [QUOTE=Pleonast] > Lately, Sam has been more like Shodan than xtisme. No real dog in this fight (I generally find Sam a good poster and enjoy reading his posts, but have noticed a lot of more partisan type threads started by him lately), but…why me? Just curious, like I said…don’t want to detract from the theme of the OP but was puzzled to see my name in this thread. -XT [/QUOTE] I guess I was too oblique, but I consider you the paragon of “intelligent non-liberal poster”. As opposed to my other example. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/98 "2010-08-31T16:19:37Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] Oh, God. Now THAT’s worth pitting Canadians over. I am so, so sorry. First, we inflicted Celine Dion on you. Now this. Our bad. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=South Park] **Newscaster:** This isn’t the first bad thing to come out of Canada. Let’s not forget Bryan Adams! \*\*Canadian Representative: \*\*Yes, well the Canadian government has apologized for him on several occasions! [/QUOTE] 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/99 "2010-08-31T16:25:49Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > He is horribly slanted and it shows. That is why his arguments will not be treated as a fair and honest debate. He makes it impossible. > The first reaction when he opens a post is"here he goes again". Holy fuck this is rich. Not only have you broken my irony meter you have caused it to go into runaway meltdown mode. Congratulations. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037/100 "2010-08-31T17:04:01Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > [@Eutychus](#): > > > > [He’s Canadian.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Bieber) > > Oh, God. Now THAT’s worth pitting Canadians over. > > I am so, so sorry. First, we inflicted Celine Dion on you. Now this. Our bad. William Shatner. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sam-stone-why-do-you-hate-america/552037.md?page=6)