I agree she’s fair game but she doesn’t have a White House salary.
True. She agreed to take no salary (not that she needs one with the administration boosting her private business)
But . . . she is a feckless cunt.
Unlike Rosanne disparaging blacks, Samantha Bee can call someone else a cunt, because she is one. Cunt privilege.
I don’t know. She seems motivated…
The exact specifics are nothing but an attempt to shift goal posts. The main point is both were being nasty and both offended people.
“If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”
A conservative politician, yes. A conservative comedian? Maybe not.
Even if I agree with Bee, I disagree with making that statement on a television show. There should be no limit on legitimate criticism but name-calling is just not helpful.
Whether she should be fired is a business decision by TBS, nothing more. I think ABC’s decision was also ultimately a business decision, regardless of any self-righteous morality claim they made.
Is that the standard now? “Nasty and offensive”?
Roseanne was “crazy and racist” and Bee “nasty and offensive.” Two completely different things.
Well, shit, if that’s all it takes then I have a list of conservatives who need to be fired immediately.
The only “goal post shifting” is being done by people who want to widen the net from blatant racism to whatever lets them play the “you’re a hypocrite” card.
Nah, that may be your point, it’s not the MAIN point.
Kind of hard to claim “Double Standard!” when the two things are different. Good try though!
Perhaps you can start a thread where “racist” and “vulgar” are compared and contrasted to see which is worse or if they are the exact same thing that deserve equal sanction?
There is no double standard. ABC fired Roseanne because its head wanted to fire her. Not because she was pressured to. Just because Employer X fires an employee for an offense does not mean that Employer Y should be obligated to do the same thing. That is nuts.
Conservatives don’t want to be lumped in with racists and bigots. “WE ARE DIVERSE INDIVIDUALS!!” they cry. OK, but so says the entertainment world. The leadership at ABC is not the same as the leadership at TBS.
Finally, no one in the Trump family should be asking for an apology over anything. Not until Trump apologizes for the million insults and false accusations he’s levied against others over the years. Until that happens, fuck Trump and Ivanka’s feelings.
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She knew what she was doing when she used the term. She needed publicity for her failing show, and even bad publicity is better than no publicity. With advertisers deserting her though this may have the opposite effect and kill her show dead. We can but hope. She and Roseanne are the exact equivalents, the ugly face of extremity at either end of the scale.
Samantha should keep calling Ivanka feckless, but replace the offensive word. Such as “feckless human Ivanka”, or “feckless biped Ivanka” or even “feckless future felon Ivanka.”
I was just thinking that neither of those two had much business being a lead on a major network to begin with–mostly based on prior behavior.
Absolutely, one major difference between this and Rosanne, is this went through a HELL of a lot more green lights before it got on air, and is not even a live show, which would have been more excusable. They’re “apologizing profusely” now, but NOBODY questioned this before it got on the air? Nobody? Doesn’t seem genuine.
Note: I’m not for cancelling shows and boycotts in general, but if it’s going to hurt the companies, sure. Do what you have to to do to save the bottom line. I think Rosanne probably should have been prohibited from tweeting as part of her contract with ABC. This is NOT the first offensive tween she’s ever done.
Two advertisers left, Autotrader and State Farm. Of course, if this gives the show a ratings boost then they may be more easily replaced.
From a business standpoint, I’m sure Bee’s show is much less expensive to produce than Barr’s was so it may be more resilient to those market factors.
Maybe I missed it, but what “prior behavior” by Bee is objectionable?
I’m assuming the crime of not being a Republican
Sorry, no, that’s a misrepresentation of the complaint against Barr. People were angry at her because of her grotesque racism, not because she used naughty language. If you want to argue that using the word “cunt” should get someone kicked off TV, fine, but if I disagree with you, I’m not a hypocrite for still thinking Barr deserved to get the boot for being a racist. They aren’t remotely related topics, no matter how hard the Grifting Right tries to create a false equivalence between them.
I’m completely convinced and on board! Let’s take this as a teaching moment and suspend Sam Bee for one show, and bring Ivanka to justice under corruption laws. Unless she and her dad will just resign. There are lots of options and ways this could go.