# Samclem - why was the "How many US Presidents have killed someone" thread locked

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**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\
**Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samclem-why-was-the-how-many-us-presidents-have-killed-someone-thread-locked/390556/101 "2007-02-06T01:16:11Z")

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Greeley, in a book published in 1865, attibuted the supposed quote by Jackson as follows:

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> I am indebted for this fact to the late Governor George N. Briggs, of Massachusetts, who was in Washington as a memeber of Congress when the decision was rendered.

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I can find no mention of this actual phrase being used before Greeley.

As an aside, Briggs was elected to Congress in 1831 as an _anti-Jacksonian_.

This is all just information. I’m firmly in the "White man screwed the Indians,"_again_ camp.

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**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\
**Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samclem-why-was-the-how-many-us-presidents-have-killed-someone-thread-locked/390556/102 "2007-02-06T04:02:17Z")

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[QUOTE=Freddy the Pig]  
Per Remini, “In June the first contingent of about a thousand Indians boarded a steamboat and sailed down the Tennessee River on the first lap of their westward journey. Then they were boxed like animals into railroad cars drawn by two locomotives. Again there were many deaths on account of the oppressive heat and cramped conditions in their cars.”  
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OK. I couldn’t figure out at which point they would have been in railroad cars (and didn’t remember that passage from Remini’s book).

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**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\
**Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samclem-why-was-the-how-many-us-presidents-have-killed-someone-thread-locked/390556/103 "2007-02-06T15:18:57Z")

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[QUOTE=spoke-]  
Nitpick 2: As an alternative to removal, each Cherokee family had the option to receive 160 acres of land and become citizens of Georgia or Tennessee.  
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Actually, the treaty was amended in 1836, and that option was removed.

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