# Same Sex Marriage and Bigamy - Permitted? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [May 9, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-sex-marriage-and-bigamy-permitted/688043 "2014-05-09T12:48:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-sex-marriage-and-bigamy-permitted/688043/21 "2014-05-11T11:40:49Z")
I’m wondering now what would happen if a group of people, all of the same gender, decided to live together and hold out to the general public that they’re all married to each other. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-sex-marriage-and-bigamy-permitted/688043/22 "2014-05-11T12:52:49Z")
Probably not much, as long as no more than two try to file joint tax returns. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-sex-marriage-and-bigamy-permitted/688043/23 "2014-05-11T16:38:09Z")
> [@jbaker](#): > > Contrary to the position argued in the Huffington Post article, recent court rulings have been unanimous in holding that a state cannot refuse to recognize a same-sex marriage lawfully entered into in another state. A recent example, from a federal court in Ohio, can be found at [http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/files/obergefell.pdf](http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/files/obergefell.pdf). The state is appealing the ruling to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, which hears appeals in federal cases from Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky, and Tennessee. First, IANAL. Federal rulings on SSM have, to the best of my understanding, depended upon 14th Amendment due process and equal protection arguments and not on Full Faith and Credit rationale. Indeed your linked judgment comes to the conclusion > [@](#): > > Accordingly, Ohio’s refusal to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states **violates the substantive due process rights** of the parties to those marriages because it deprives them of their significant liberty interest in remaining married absent a sufficient articulated state interest for doing so or any due process procedural protection whatsoever. my **bolding** added The court goes on to note that a SSM ban is a violation of equal protection rights. So there are plenty of reasons that courts are using in their rationale to strike down SSM bans and bans of recognizing a lawful SSM entered into in another jurisdiction. But as far as I can tell the courts are not relying on a Full Faith and Credit argument. Indeed the Wikipedia article on the [Full Faith and Credit Claus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause)e claims in the context of interracial marriage bans that, **"[t]he full faith and credit clause was never used to force a state to recognize a marriage it did not wish to recognize**." ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-sex-marriage-and-bigamy-permitted/688043/24 "2014-05-11T16:56:08Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Not so clear just how “factually incorrect” or not I was in writing that, or in your response here. According to the last few paragraphs of the Wiki you linked, not to mention a number of posts in this thread, this is still an evolving area of law. The wiki and some of the above posts cite cases in which courts have compelled states to recognize out-of-state same-sex marriages that they otherwise would not have recognized. I’m digging through some of the examples cited at the end of that Wiki article (on the [Full Faith and Credit](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause) clause). One involved whether a death certificate would be issued in Ohio listing the legally married gay spouse as the surviving spouse. Ohio law at the time prohibited recognizing same sex marriages entered into lawfully elsewhere. Judge Timothy Black [ruled](http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2013/07/23/National-Politics/Graphics/tro_obergefell%282%29.pdf) (pdf link) that Ohio may not issue a death certificate that does not list the surviving partner as a surviving spouse. But he based that ruling on the SCOTUS ruling in Windsor and on the 14th Amendment. FF&C was not a part of his ruling. I’m not sure how that example got cited on the FF&C wiki article. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-sex-marriage-and-bigamy-permitted/688043/25 "2014-05-11T17:48:02Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Not so clear just how “factually incorrect” or not I was in writing that, or in your response here. According to the last few paragraphs of the Wiki you linked, not to mention a number of posts in this thread, this is still an evolving area of law. The wiki and some of the above posts cite cases in which courts have compelled states to recognize out-of-state same-sex marriages that they otherwise would not have recognized. It was in the first paragraph: > [@](#): > > According to the Supreme Court, there is a difference between the credit owed to laws (i.e. legislative measures and common law) as compared to the credit owed to judgments. If and when the law “evolves” to a point where the FF&C clause requires states to “respect” each other’s laws, you’ll be correct. Currently, that is not the case. Also, if you go to the [source article](http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/07/23/gay-couple-win-fight-to-be-buried-together.html) in wikipedia about the case in Ohio, you’ll see that it wasn’t quite what you think it was. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-sex-marriage-and-bigamy-permitted/688043.md?page=1)